On 02/18/2014 12:48 PM, Darrell Anderson wrote:
>> I tried KFtpgrappeb on a debian mirror, but after establishing a 
>> connection, it "stops" on the "fetching file lise".
>> There is definitely something wrong somewhere.
> 
> I am going to be frank here and will sound harsh and mean. We are 
> eager to add older kde3 apps to the repo but part of me thinks we 
> do this with a bean-counter mindset --- to impress people how many 
> apps we have. From my own usage and observation I find many of 
> those older apps useless fluff.
> 
> We spend zero time on quality control and testing. Browse the bug 
> tracker --- filled with paper cut issues. Or, to be blunt, what I 
> call "chicken shit" issues. The bug reports all just sit there with 
> no attention.
> 
> David, file Yet Another Bug Report. I don't know what else to do.
> 
> Darrell
> 
> 

I understand your frustration Darrell, and no you are not being mean. You are
apparently taking the information I am posting in a way other than it is
intended to be received. I am not complaining saying "look this is broken, TDE
is bad or not ready", quite the contrary. I am testing all of the applications
and passing on the information so that you, I, Michele, Salvek, Francios, Tim,
whoever is packaging for a distribution will know what applications are working
and which are broken .. and .. to give everyone the ability to confirm my findings.

I am packaging for potentially hundreds of users. I do NOT want to include
packages in my offerings that are broken or do not work. That will reflect badly
on TDE.

Like I said in my last post regarding this topic, I don't want/expect you to do
anything about it other than know "Rankin testing app X, Y and Z and reported
breakage."

I also test these apps because I do not know what you or anyone else considers
to be "apps that should work in TDE and will reflect poorly on TDE if included
broken" If any of these apps are apps that fall into that category, then I've
provided that information through testing so that appropriate action can be
taken or priorities set -- period. Nothing more, nothing less.

I do not use any of these apps, but since they are part of the tree, I feel
obligated to know whether they (1) build, and (2) work, so that when R14 is
released and I get a question about package Y, I can at least give an educated
response regarding the same.

The only critical/blocking issue I know of for Arch is the systemd user session
tracking issue that leaves hundreds of open sftp/file/http processes open. That
in itself doesn't mean TDE is unusable in pure-systemd, because something
limits/closes stale processes after a given period of time ultimately limiting
the impact. But since that doesn't effect non pure-systemd distros, if it can't
be fixed for R14, so be it, I'll just wait until it can be fixed to release
packages for Arch.

Other than that, I think R14 is ready to freeze for RC1. These little packages
can be targeted for fixing in 14.0.1 and be part of what gives meaning to the
'1'. Except for those broken packages, you, or anyone else considers critical to
14.0.0, consider this information for fixing in .1 :)

-- 
David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E.