On 02/23/2014 11:21 AM, Darrell wrote: > Long ago many of the submenus in Trinity were stripped. The menu was much the > same: a cluttered mess and unbearable. I restored the use of submenus. > > I believe the general principle is no more than three levels of menus and we > are at the limit now. > > On my office machine I limit what is installed. There I have no menu clutter > problems. On my test machine where I install most of the additional Trinity > apps, the menu is a challenge. There often I have to enable the search field > to find items while testing. > > The default Trinity menu layout is Name-Description. That too is a volatile > topic. I prefer the default to be Description-Name because new users > understand app descriptions (Web Browser, Mail Client) better than they know > or can guess what convoluted name a developer chose for an app. And > developers have a long history of naming apps with crazy names. The entire > KDE/TDE app naming scheme is nonsensical with the K/T/TDE prefix everywhere. > The GNOME/GNU folks are no better. What I want to do is set up the menus for my users in the following manner. Take the system menu for example -- it is a mess when you have a full install. I have completely cleaned it by adding 4 logical submenus for the applications that were already under System (based on what they do - broadly): System Configuration Monitor Terminal Applications Utilities Leaving only apps: File Manager Krusader Konsole This leaves a well balance System menu (in order): http://www.3111skyline.com/dl/dt/trinity/ss/kmenu-system.jpg http://www.3111skyline.com/dl/dt/trinity/ss/kmenu-system-configuration.jpg http://www.3111skyline.com/dl/dt/trinity/ss/kmenu-system-monitor.jpg http://www.3111skyline.com/dl/dt/trinity/ss/kmenu-system-superuser.jpg (already there) http://www.3111skyline.com/dl/dt/trinity/ss/kmenu-system-terminal.jpg http://www.3111skyline.com/dl/dt/trinity/ss/kmenu-system-utilities.jpg So if I understand what you are saying, then I will need to somehow patch or sed all of the .desktop files for all of the applications to do that at packaging time? -- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E.