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Month: March 2014

Re: [trinity-devel] R14.0.0 soft freeze

From: Darrell <darrella@...>
Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2014 13:37:46 -0600
> Then it looks like we are freezing too soon. If we do not even have time to 
> include things that are already complete and simply need to be added, DO NOT 
> SECOND -- as long as renaming continues DO NOT FREEZE. Renaming is guaranteed 
> to BREAK things intended or not.
> Solution - Until renaming is complete DO NOT FREEZE -- it is pointless while 
> renaming continues. Nobody can give any type of educated "it's ready to 
> freeze" when nobody has had a chance to build the code that is to be frozen.
> If we must continue to rename, then set the soft freeze date 3 days after 
> renaming is complete -- otherwise we are setting ourselves up for failure and 
> we are pushing off functional additions to TDE for sake of renaming.
> We should not be in this position on the proposed soft-freeze date.

A soft freeze is just that: soft. A soft freeze is the signal for the trainers to walk the horses toward the starting gate. The horses still get to pee and poop if they need to while they walk toward the gate and if they do, somebody is standing by with shovels and buckets. The hard freeze occurs when the back gates are closed.

Renaming will continue for a long time. Renaming halts duration the freeze but continues after the official release.

Breakage? Welcome to free/libre software. Breakage occurs daily. Just wait for the next upstream release of libpng or gcc. Or systemd that the RedHat folks have snookered most everybody into embracing hook, line, and sinker. Or the next time you update bleeding edge Arch and you start whining about build failures. People upstream are like the honey badger --- they don't give a shit about breakage downstream.

That said, perhaps we ought to consider when to invoke the soft freeze. What is utterly critical right now? Slavek mentions some FTBFS issues. There are several more FTBFS bug reports. Should we at least agree to resolve FTBFS issues before moving to the soft freeze?

And of course, nobody talks about paper cut issues, which drive away users faster than a wacked hornet's nest.