On Friday 26 of December 2014 14:25:52 Michele Calgaro wrote:
> On 12/26/2014 04:26 AM, Sl�vek Banko wrote:
> > On Tuesday 23 of December 2014 09:11:53 Michele Calgaro wrote:
> >> On 2014/12/22 07:26 PM, Sl�vek Banko wrote:
> >>> On Monday 22 of December 2014 11:06:20 Michele Calgaro wrote:
> >>>> Looks like the mirror is now fully working, since it takes less than
> >>>> 30 minutes to do a fully upgrade. So I have tested sevaral ways to
> >>>> upgrade from a standard 3.5.13.2 install to 14.0.0. The sequence
> >>>> suggested by Mike seems to be the most reliable/reproducable, but with
> >>>> some tweeks. 1) apt-get update 2) apt-get install tde-trinity. This
> >>>> fails at some point. 3) apt-get -f install. This succeeded, but trying
> >>>> to login after this stage gives the error "Could not start
> >>>> kstartupconfig...." 4) apt-get dist-upgrade After this stage, I have a
> >>>> fully working TDE R14.0.0 system. Running aptitude in CLI mode and
> >>>> pressing 'g', comes up with a list of packages that can be deleted.
> >>>> This at times is most of the TDE installation. To fix this do the
> >>>> following. 5) run 'aptitude', search tde-trinity (which should be
> >>>> shown as *un*installed, mark as 'to install' and 'g'. This will make
> >>>> R14.0.0 stick in your system 6) running 'aptitude' and pressing 'g'
> >>>> again, comes up with a list of packages that can be deleted. Proceed.
> >>>>
> >>>> I have noticed over several upgrade runs, that the list of packages
> >>>> that can be deleted is not always the same, not sure why although some
> >>>> of the upgrade run were interrupted/resumed several times due to the
> >>>> slow download bandwidth of previous days. It seems that dummy packages
> >>>> have to be manually removed. dpkg -l | grep -i dummy gives a list of
> >>>> such packages.
> >>>>
> >>>> I will modify the installation instructions adding an "Update from
> >>>> 3.5.13.2" section to it. If you have any specific comments that you
> >>>> would like to add to the above, please let me know (once again :-) )
> >>>>
> >>>> Cheers Michele
> >>>
> >>> I must again point out - if the user perform a manual selection of
> >>
> >> packages to
> >>
> >>> install, the process containing "apt-get install tde-trinity" is not
> >>
> >> an just
> >>
> >>> upgrade, but will install many other packages. Moreover, as you
> >>
> >> mention, this
> >>
> >>> step fails. That does not sound like a good way to upgrade.
> >>>
> >>> Please, test this simple procedure:
> >>>
> >>> 1) apt-get update 2) aptitude dist-upgrade
> >>>
> >>> As I've mentioned many times before, this procedure on all my test
> >>
> >> machines
> >>
> >>> ran smoothly - without any hitch - and it's "really just upgrade".
> >>
> >> Slavek, I tested your way and the upgrade goes smooth. Nevertheless
> >> after the process is completed a lot of dummy packages are still
> >> installed. Using the following procedure gets rid of those dummy
> >> packages and leaves a clean upgrade.
> >>
> >> 1) apt-get update
> >
> > No problems.
> >
> >> 2) aptitude dist-upgrade
> >
> > 96 packages upgraded, 64 newly installed, 15 to remove and 0 not
> > upgraded. Need to get 147 MB of archives. After unpacking 63.7 MB will be
> > used.
> >
> > No problems.
>
> Note: only 64 new packages installed.
>
Yes, 64 is perfectly fine, because on this test machine is not
installed "everything", but substantial and potentially conflicting packages.
> >> 3) aptitude install tde-trinity -> then choose to resolve the conflict
> >> by removing kde-trinity and kde-core-trinity
> >
> > 0 packages upgraded, 406 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
> > Need to get 231 MB of archives. After unpacking 626 MB will be used.
> >
> > Oops, that's a bit much.
>
> Well, "too much" is subjective. Basically the "general" user is trying to
> upgrade from a previous kde-install, so this step is just installing
> whatever package was not upgraded from step 2. On my wheezy installation
> steps 2 install about 250 packages and step 3 about 200 if my memory is
> right. The total is about 450, which is similar to the number you reported
> on a previous email (http://trinity-devel.pearsoncomputing.net/?0::14312)
>
Essential however is that in step 2 are updated 'all installed' packages.
Regardless of how was installed the previous version of TDE - whether the
packages were selected individually (as is in my case) or meta-package was
used (as are ordinary users). The only packages that are not updated in the
previous step are kde-trinity, kde-core-trinity and kde-devel-trinity ... and
possibly their new dependencies => new packages.
Therefore 406 new packages from my example is simply much, because it causes
installation a lot of packages that "I did not want to have" => I did not
installed intentionally. Therefore my proposal from previous mail to the
reformulation of step 3 to optional => "If you have installed metapackage
kde..." - see paragraph below.
> > I think we could recommend something like this:
> >
> > If you had installed metapackage kde-trinity, kde-core-trinity or
> > kde-devel-trinity, these are not updated automatically. For the update is
> > necessary to use one of the following:
> >
> > aptitude install tde-trinity aptitude install tde-core-trinity aptitude
> > install tde-devel-trinity
> >
> >
> > As I watched, there are several transitional dummy packages which would
> > still have had to be removed manually. For example kde-i18n-*,
> > kio-locate, kradio,... For such I would suggest the following:
> >
> > 4) Run aptitude in interactive mode, enter Limit Display
> > '~i-trinity~ddummy" and manually check and delete unneeded packages.
> >
> >> Can you test on your machines as well and let me know? If confirmed, I
> >> will update the installation instructions. Cheers Michele
>
> What about we propose two possibilities?
>
> 1) same as the one I proposed. This one would basically upgrade/install all
> TDE R14.0.0 and get rid of dummy packages. This solution would be intended
> for "generic" users who want a simple way to upgrade all TDE
>
> 2) same solution that you suggested, i.e. step 1 and step 2, then run
> aptitude in interactive mode, enter Limit Display '~i-trinity~ddummy" and
> manually check/delete unneeded packages and install equivalent tde
> packages. This would be intended for more expert users, who can choose what
> to install and what not.
>
> What do you think?
> Cheers
> Michele
>
I think that the proposed procedures are not mutually exclusive, but
complementary => no problem to combine it into a single process:
Steps 1) and 2) are identical.
Step 3) is optional => for users that have previously installed meta-packages
kde-trinity / kde-core-trinity / kde-devel-trinity.
Step 4) is optional => for advanced users who wants to do more housekeeping.
--
Sl�vek
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