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Re: [trinity-devel] Package renames and autoremove

From: Michele Calgaro <michele.calgaro@...>
Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2014 12:01:55 +0900
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On 12/26/2014 11:36 PM, Slávek Banko wrote:
> On Friday 26 of December 2014 14:25:52 Michele Calgaro wrote:
>> On 12/26/2014 04:26 AM, Slávek Banko wrote:
>>> On Tuesday 23 of December 2014 09:11:53 Michele Calgaro wrote:
>>>> On 2014/12/22 07:26 PM, Slávek Banko wrote:
>>>>> On Monday 22 of December 2014 11:06:20 Michele Calgaro wrote:
>>>>>> Looks like the mirror is now fully working, since it takes less than 30 minutes to do a fully upgrade. So
>>>>>> I have tested sevaral ways to upgrade from a standard install to 14.0.0. The sequence suggested
>>>>>> by Mike seems to be the most reliable/reproducable, but with some tweeks. 1) apt-get update 2) apt-get
>>>>>> install tde-trinity. This fails at some point. 3) apt-get -f install. This succeeded, but trying to login
>>>>>> after this stage gives the error "Could not start kstartupconfig...." 4) apt-get dist-upgrade After this
>>>>>> stage, I have a fully working TDE R14.0.0 system. Running aptitude in CLI mode and pressing 'g', comes up
>>>>>> with a list of packages that can be deleted. This at times is most of the TDE installation. To fix this
>>>>>> do the following. 5) run 'aptitude', search tde-trinity (which should be shown as *un*installed, mark as
>>>>>> 'to install' and 'g'. This will make R14.0.0 stick in your system 6) running 'aptitude' and pressing 'g' 
>>>>>> again, comes up with a list of packages that can be deleted. Proceed.
>>>>>> I have noticed over several upgrade runs, that the list of packages that can be deleted is not always the
>>>>>> same, not sure why although some of the upgrade run were interrupted/resumed several times due to the 
>>>>>> slow download bandwidth of previous days. It seems that dummy packages have to be manually removed. dpkg
>>>>>> -l | grep -i dummy gives a list of such packages.
>>>>>> I will modify the installation instructions adding an "Update from" section to it. If you have
>>>>>> any specific comments that you would like to add to the above, please let me know (once again :-) )
>>>>>> Cheers Michele
>>>>> I must again point out - if the user perform a manual selection of
>>>> packages to
>>>>> install, the process containing "apt-get install tde-trinity" is not
>>>> an just
>>>>> upgrade, but will install many other packages. Moreover, as you
>>>> mention, this
>>>>> step fails. That does not sound like a good way to upgrade.
>>>>> Please, test this simple procedure:
>>>>> 1) apt-get update 2) aptitude dist-upgrade
>>>>> As I've mentioned many times before, this procedure on all my test
>>>> machines
>>>>> ran smoothly - without any hitch - and it's "really just upgrade".
>>>> Slavek, I tested your way and the upgrade goes smooth. Nevertheless after the process is completed a lot of
>>>> dummy packages are still installed. Using the following procedure gets rid of those dummy packages and leaves
>>>> a clean upgrade.
>>>> 1) apt-get update
>>> No problems.
>>>> 2) aptitude dist-upgrade
>>> 96 packages upgraded, 64 newly installed, 15 to remove and 0 not upgraded. Need to get 147 MB of archives.
>>> After unpacking 63.7 MB will be used.
>>> No problems.
>> Note: only 64 new packages installed.
> Yes, 64 is perfectly fine, because on this test machine is not installed "everything", but substantial and
> potentially conflicting packages.
>>>> 3) aptitude install tde-trinity   -> then choose to resolve the conflict by removing kde-trinity and
>>>> kde-core-trinity
>>> 0 packages upgraded, 406 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. Need to get 231 MB of archives. After
>>> unpacking 626 MB will be used.
>>> Oops, that's a bit much.
>> Well, "too much" is subjective. Basically the "general" user is trying to upgrade from a previous kde-install, so
>> this step is just installing whatever package was not upgraded from step 2. On my wheezy installation steps 2
>> install about 250 packages and step 3 about 200 if my memory is right. The total is about 450, which is similar
>> to the number you reported on a previous email (
> Essential however is that in step 2 are updated 'all installed' packages. Regardless of how was installed the
> previous version of TDE - whether the packages were selected individually (as is in my case) or meta-package was 
> used (as are ordinary users). The only packages that are not updated in the previous step are kde-trinity,
> kde-core-trinity and kde-devel-trinity ... and possibly their new dependencies => new packages.
> Therefore 406 new packages from my example is simply much, because it causes installation a lot of packages that "I
> did not want to have" => I did not installed intentionally. Therefore my proposal from previous mail to the 
> reformulation of step 3 to optional => "If you have installed metapackage kde..." - see paragraph below.
>>> I think we could recommend something like this:
>>> If you had installed metapackage kde-trinity, kde-core-trinity or kde-devel-trinity, these are not updated
>>> automatically. For the update is necessary to use one of the following:
>>> aptitude install tde-trinity aptitude install tde-core-trinity aptitude install tde-devel-trinity
>>> As I watched, there are several transitional dummy packages which would still have had to be removed manually.
>>> For example kde-i18n-*, kio-locate, kradio,... For such I would suggest the following:
>>> 4) Run aptitude in interactive mode, enter Limit Display '~i-trinity~ddummy" and manually check and delete
>>> unneeded packages.
>>>> Can you test on your machines as well and let me know? If confirmed, I will update the installation
>>>> instructions. Cheers Michele
>> What about we propose two possibilities?
>> 1) same as the one I proposed. This one would basically upgrade/install all TDE R14.0.0 and get rid of dummy
>> packages. This solution would be intended for "generic" users who want a simple way to upgrade all TDE
>> 2) same solution that you suggested, i.e. step 1 and step 2, then run aptitude in interactive mode, enter Limit
>> Display '~i-trinity~ddummy" and manually check/delete unneeded packages and install equivalent tde packages. This
>> would be intended for more expert users, who can choose what to install and what not.
>> What do you think? Cheers Michele
> I think that the proposed procedures are not mutually exclusive, but complementary => no problem to combine it into
> a single process:
> Steps 1) and 2) are identical. Step 3) is optional => for users that have previously installed meta-packages 
> kde-trinity / kde-core-trinity / kde-devel-trinity. Step 4) is optional => for advanced users who wants to do more
> housekeeping.

I have updated both Debian and Ubuntu installation pages on the wiki.
If you compare the "Upgrade" section on both pages, you will see that "Debian's point A" is not present in the Ubuntu
version. This is because the package names to install TDE in Ubuntu are different from Debian.
I do not have an Ubuntu system to test on. Could you check and let me know if there is any error or missing info
regarding the Ubuntu page? Thanks.

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