On Tuesday 08 March 2016 20:07:51 Thomas Maus wrote:
> > Tim has said that what we need, in order to expand, is money and
> > developers. I personally do not see how we are to get more developers and
> > more money without more users.
>
> Exactly my point.
> Now: How do you think to attract more users?

I was attracting more users.  Users who dislike all this "bling" that is so 
fashionable now.  Tim asked me to stop.  I have stopped.  You want TDE to 
compete with all these other desktops.  TDE appeals to those who do not want 
this competition.

> On Tuesday 08 March 2016, 11:41 wrote Lisi Reisz:
> > Why do we need a new logo?  
>
> I'm trying to lead a rational discussion here and I gave detailed arguments
> along this whole discussion thread. Have the kindness to read, consider and
> eventually falsify them -- the designs are secondary.

There is no need to be offensive.  I asked why "we" need a new logo.  We know 
what you think and demand that the rest of us think.  

Your credentials in Open Source are not relevant to your insistence that your 
opinion has to be taken as incontrovertible fact.

Moreover you are ignoring the fact that Tim asked me not to proselytise.

You may feel that _you_ have already answered the questions I asked.  I asked 
them of "us".  Plural, not dual.  I know what you think.  What about all 
those who have so far said nothing?  What about all those on the users list?

You ARE wanting change for change's sake.  You want change because TDE is 
not "modern" enough.  That is change for change's sake.

The idea of having two completely different logos is IMHO a complete 
non-starter and makes nonsense of having a logo.

You _will_ lose present users if you go along the track you want.  This may, 
of course, be part of your design.  You are of course going to supply the 
large amount of money needed to expand the hardware capacity of the project 
to be able to cater for large numbers of new users.

The release candidates for PCLinuxOS interestingly had a garish, deliberately 
Windows-like, logo.  It was ditched by the time of the first release.

I actually think that your analysis of the "problems" is completely wrong, and 
largely irrelevant.  There are IMHO obstacles to expansion that interpose 
long before you get to the point where it is too old fashioned or otherwise.  
Destroying the essence of the project will not lead to huge numbers of users.  
And if it were to do so, it would not make any difference if TDE was no more.

Lisi