On Thu May 4 2017 11:39:56 deloptes wrote:
> And we should have some trust in the debian team and respect their
> decisions.

If Debian had not tried to force users to move to KDE4 before it was
even ready a lot of work in spinning off TDE might have been avoided.

There are a heck of a lot of good DDs doing good work and they mostly fly
below the radar.  And then there are the loud political people who abuse
Debian's processes to "force" users to use certain software by making it
much harder to use alternatives.

Systemd is bad bad bad design.  It deliberately removes choice and is thus
bad bad bad for the whole libre software ecosystem.  Without choice new
and better alternatives cannot evolve within the ecosystem.

And that is why people have had to put in much greater effort - much of
which should have been unnecessary - to develop new ecosystems such as
TDE and Devuan outside the poisoned old ecosystems.

--Mike