On Mon, May 28, 2018 at 9:32 AM, Dr. Nikolaus Klepp <office@...> wrote: > Am Montag, 28. Mai 2018 schrieb wofgdkncxojef: >> Don't make me laugh. You guys, you will not >> even accept moving the user list to reedit. if you believe that that would be something you would like to take responsibility for (instead of complaining and accusing), because you feel it would be effective, don't wait for anyone else's permission, go ahead, take responsibility for it and DO IT. ... yeh? > Does this scene remember you of something? > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3bsCu5yD9aY so in 2012, when i was earning barely above the minimum amount to feed myself, my partner and my 3 year old daughter - this through various activities that i didn't ask permission for - some motherfucking delusional dickheads decided to hijack the domain of the software libre project that was my primary source of income. within about a month my already dangerously-low income went down from around USD $900 a month to below $500. within three months we were evicted from the property that we lived at: this was actually a good thing because it had, due to the harsh weather, become unfit for human habitation. the water pump for the well failed: we had no drinking water (bear in mind that i had a 3 year old child to look after) and it took screaming at the landlord, threatening to report them, to get it fixed. the complete lack of respect that you are showing towards timothy pearson by using his server's resources to discuss a hostile takeover of the project and to IMPOSE your world view is reminding me of the delusional attitude that those people had, back in 2012. you DO NOT start a discussion in the way that you have, wofgdkncxojef. you need to start with QUESTIONS. your first post should have started "hello i am new here: why does this project appear to be leaderless?" and that would have got you some informed non-confrontational answers that DID NOT PISS EVERYBODY OFF. then you could have moved on to asking if anyone was INTERESTED in changing things from the way that they are, and established a rapport with them. you could then have asked, "does anyone else have any ideas on how to improve the project, i have some suggestions, including leveraging reddit, github, etc. etc." at which point you would have got some useful feedback. instead you went straight in with, "i'm new, fuck you all, you're totally incompetent fuckers, fucking well abandoned the project, i DEMAND that slavek be put in charge cos he's clearly much better than any of you fuckers". to which the only answer is: FUCK OFF. it's just that nobody's really spelled it out to you that way: they're trying to be polite but you're *really* trying their patience. ASKING QUESTIONS and INVITING PEOPLE TO CONTRIBUTE is how you BECOME the benevolent dictator, wofgdkncxojef. it's done by NOT being a leader AT ALL. you are just the person who asks people the things that they might otherwise be a bit afraid to do. you initiate the conversations so that they can get over their fears. you are respectful and understanding. you give people the opportunity to learn from their mistakes... and make it clear that they have to clear up their own messes. you provide development rules and guidelines that allow people to work together instead of making yourself the most important person in the room. in short: you have NO IDEA how successful free software projects work, wofgdkncxojef.... and right now you have NO IDEA how to LISTEN to people, or indicate that you've understood their point of view. most people at this point would say, "go away, stop bothering us, and fork the project: nobody is stopping you". however it annoys me intensely to hear this being said (to just me and me alone, so i'm not going to do that), what i recommend that you do is: talk to the people that you know, get a *group* of you together, and do your own thing. just the coordination and communication of *establishing* that group will teach you a lot. but please, for god's sake, STOP using timothy pearson's time, money and resources, it's enormously disrespectful, and, given that at least four people have tried to explain to you that what you want to do is not welcome (and why), you're at the point where continuing to fail to listen to people is going to get you banned from the list. do you get the gist? l.