On 05/28/2018 07:30 PM, Slávek Banko wrote: > Hi all, > > I suppose that the members of our community know me enough and that there > will be no objection if I label myself as the deputy leader for the cases > when Tim is busy and can not be here. That is why I will now speak not > only on my own behalf but on behalf of our community. > > > Dne ne 27. května 2018 wofgdkncxojef@... napsal(a): >> 1. Shut down the user mailing list, and drag you kicking and screaming, >> to an official reedit >> > > Great idea - we could get other "contributors" who just talk, scream or > tell us their wonderful moods... But just a chatter does not make any > move forward. This represents only an unnecessary waste time of all > participants. > > We do not just want to talk, we want to discuss in a constructive way. And > therefore the mailing lists will remain here. > > >> 2. Shut down the git repo, and drag you kicking and screaming to >> github. >> > > Another great idea. As you earlier said yourself - it's not for any > technical reason. On the contrary, others have stated several technical > reasons why not to do so. > > I add more: Currently, we have 179 individual GIT repositories. But we > have one common wiki and one common bugzilla. At Github each individual > repository had its own issues and wiki - very impractical for us. At the > same time, issues on Github do not provide features like bugzilla. > > Your thought that moving to Github will attract crowds of programmers is > nonsense. Maybe there will be those who will just watch. Maybe there will > be those who make their fork, but they will not make any contribution. > No, I'm not a pessimist - I'm just a realist. > > In any case, if we want to provide a Github-style interface besides to > Cgit interface, we would definitely choose a solution that we can run on > our servers. For example, Gitea: > > https://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/gitea/ > > >> 3. Impose renaming as top priority, and a split in several categories. >> With main, of guaranteed minimum quality. >> > > As I said before: Renaming everything is one of the great challenges > facing us. We know that this is useful as the first necessary step to > overcome the barrier to inclusion into the distributions. However, our > main priority is - and I can say that it will always be - to provide > Trinity to users who use it. > > Splitting code into the "first category" and "others" is nonsense. > > >> 4. Bend over backwards, so that trinity is accepted in Debian. >> > > There is no need to waste time on this point until the renaming of > everything will be done. Yes, it would be a nice benefit, but we can > continue to work without it. It is simply a long-term goal. > > >> All this, is just to increase exposire of the project. >> You have to go, where people are. >> This way, you get more users and devs. >> Instead, every one here, only see's the very short term. >> Literally, just the next patch. >> >> This can not be done, without some one in charge..... >> > > We are a small community. Whoever wants to become a respected member, > others have to see the results of his work. At first I hoped you could > learn teamwork, you could get an overview of the structure of the source > code, you could become a useful member of the team. But the only results > you show is just chatter. > > From your four points there is the only one who deserves effort - renaming > everything. When I asked you to take up this task, the answer was still > just the same chatter. You can not make any move forward only by talking. > You will not get any respect from the community only by talking. > > It only depends on you if you want to be beneficial to our community, and > instead of talking, you will begin to devote for useful work, or if you > just keep talking and others will ignore you more and more. > > I remind you that you have not even revealed the basic good behavior to > introduce yourself! > > Cheers > You aren't "deputy leader", you are the defacto leader. You said no, and that's the end of it. You basically said "advertising the project is worthless"