"The point of all of the above is to establish who is in control of
the Trinity desktop project.
 Personally I am sick and tired of hearing that things "cannot be
done"--that is merely what the
 KDE4 devs have started as propaganda to promote their new way of doing things."

This is true, which is why I've left all kde4 project nor will I
support any kde4 distros. Also why I'm reluctant to join any dev group
period.

When I said I would continue to use my Ark Linux 3.5.10 setup, I was
also told it "cannot be done" by the kde4 devs I was working with. I'm
still using my AL setup very productively with no real drawbacks.

 "Rather than criticizing almost every decision we have made, please
try to  help where possible
 and make KDE3/TDE a better desktop environment.  If you see a
potential problem, why don't
 you see what the best alternatives  are from your perspective and
mention them on this list, or
 even try to  put in some work towards fixing the problem?"

There are times I disagree with something, however it doesn't mean I
don't explore it. Perhaps I'm wrong... Its never a waste of time, if
something is learned from it. So I have to agree. Should TDE choose to
dump koffice in favour of OOo or the like, then let it be. Perhaps it
will work, if it doesn't I KNOW, the devs will see this and rethink
themselves. To date no one has show themselves to have a poor grip on
reality.

 "We have enough idle critics out on the Internet; please don't be one
on this mailing list."

Agreed. We are better than this. To date, the only other project that
hears all the voices, is Unity. Ultimately I believe it will put both
project well ahead of the game. But such things take time and
patience.

I hope I haven't made matter worse by adding my two pea. It just
saddens me to see such strife where none need be.

Cheers,

Kate