Any evaluation should not be how these apps compare to MS Office, but are they palatable for most people for many tasks? Don't look for missing escoteric features. Forget about importing and exporting MS Office files. Focus on usability by typical users with common needs.

I think everything you have said was just invalidated by this paragraph. What is a user with common needs? almost 100% of the time that involves MS compat one way or another. It is unrealistic to pretend that users won't need this. And what do we do when they say "oh no I can save my .docx file", do we just say "oh well most common users don't need that?". No.

With that said, I am not against supporting OO/LO as long as that focus is tight integration with TDE. I hate the OO/LO file picker dialogs. They are useless compared to KDialog. Menu and toolbar look-and-feel needs help. Tim was working on some of that a while ago but I don't what happened. I think Tim told the LO people the TDE team would maintain the hooks needed for TDE integration.

This is important obviously, and we don't want to roll out a premature LO picker. I think it is safe to say that OpenOffice is all but dead...

Perhaps after R14 we can have a serious discussion about the future of KOffice. Yet I don't think any such discussion will be valid unless we perform some serious testing and evaluations.

Certainly not an R14 topic of concern but perhaps R15.

Agreed, but we also need to make long term decisions. No point putting weeks of labor into a product just to drop it in a few versions. Make sense?

Calvin Morrison