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Re: [trinity-devel] Sudden resemblence to WinXP?

From: "Timothy Pearson" <kb9vqf@...>
Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2011 22:35:39 -0600
>
>
> On Tuesday 22 November 2011 11:09:58 pm Timothy Pearson wrote:
>> > On Tuesday 22 November 2011 10:47:12 pm Timothy Pearson wrote:
>> >> > Whenever my screen locks (e.g. from my screen saver or from
>> manually
>> >> > locking) and I go to unlock, I'm told to press CTRL+ALT+Del, and it
>> >> says
>> >> > it's displaying that so the login screen doesn't get spoofed.
>> >> >
>> >> > When logging out, I get a window saying it's saving my settings.
>> >> >
>> >> > Both of these remind me of WinXP. The CTRL+ALT+Del thing is of
>> WinNT
>> >> (XP
>> >> > is based on NT).
>> >> >
>> >> > Is there a way to turn this off?
>> >> >
>> >> > Also, if the CTRL+ALT+Del thing is used for unlocking, why not too
>> for
>> >> > logging in?
>> >>
>> >> It is normally used for both unlock and login.  It is a generic
>> >> implementation of a Secure Attention Key (SAK), without which Linux
>> is
>> >> actually less secure than Windows.
>> >
>> > Never heard of it, nor have I ever seen CTRL+ALT+Del in Linux
>>
>> The problem boils down to the fact that I can make a perfect copy of the
>> login (or lock) screen, leave it running as a non-priviledged user (e.g.
>> on a public computer), and grab your password.  There is no way for you
>> to
>> know the real login screen from a good fake.  The SAK allows the
>> operating
>> system to reserve a secure keypress (in this case Ctrl+Alt+Del) that no
>> userspace application will ever be able to see, therefore preventing
>> emulation of the logon sequence before any passwords are typed.
>
> A good iptables setup (block all except what's absolutely needed), an
> encrypted hard disk, and not allowing physical access to my laptop whilst
> it is on make me confident that won't happen :-)
>
>> >
>> >> The SAK support can be turned off in the KDM control center module.
>> >
>> > I don't see it anywhere under Login Manager or KDM Theme Manager.
>> These
>> > are the only two modules that show up when I type kdm into the search
>> box
>> > for kcontrol.
>>
>> Look for Login Manager in kcontrol.
>>
>> Also, if you really don't like the startup/shudown splash screens simply
>> select a splash screen other than "Unified".  Many users here like to
>> have
>> feedback that their computer is actually doing something once logout has
>> been pressed, but to each their own. ;-)
>
> To quote my previous message:
>> > I don't see it anywhere under Login Manager or KDM Theme Manager.
>> These
>> > are the only two modules that show up when I type kdm into the search
>> box
>> > for kcontrol.
>
> Unified wasn't selected when I installed TDE. It was default to one of the
> moreblue splash screens. I've already changed it, but it only affected the
> login splash. The logout splash is still a window telling me it's saving
> me my settings.

Sorry, it's been a long day and I guess I missed that part in your message.

The saving settings dialog has a configuration file setting but no GUI
configuration checkbox IIRC.  Definitely something that should be looked
at for R14.0--a bug report would help.

Tim