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Month: September 2010

Re: [trinity-devel] The Default Trinity Desktop

From: "Timothy Pearson" <kb9vqf@...>
Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2010 16:18:54 -0500
> I temporarily renamed the ~/.kde directory so Trinity would create a new
profile directory.
> Beauty is always subjective, but I think Trinity should change some of
> old die-hard KDE defaults. As you mentioned previously, Trinity is now
> upstream source, not KDE. You now are the man. Be bold. Be different. :)

I agree for the most part, but we must be careful not to be bold and
different in the KDE4 style. ;-).  Sometimes minor changes are OK in small
quantities between releases, but usually large, sweeping changes will
start alienating the types of users that are interested in this project.

> So here are some thoughts about the default Trinity desktop.
> 1. As you seem keen on changing references from KDE to Trinity, you
> want to consider a new splash image. Likewise for your side image in the

Done.  Thank goodness for the GIMP!

> 2. I always found the KDE-Classic Icon Theme somewhat unpleasant. The
Crystal SVG icon set is popular and cleaner.

Agree; it looks like the default is already set to crystalsvg in the code

> 3. I never understood the blind acceptance of four virtual desktops.
> new users will appreciate two.

Sorry; I don't agree here.  I can't imagine life without four desktops
(and I have two 21" screens per desktop)!  While this usage case may be a
bit extreme, this feature is still a major productivity enhancer compared
to Window$/Mac, therefore I think it should be emphasized as much as
possible.  Also on a more practical note, IIRC other Linux DEs use four
desktops by default.

If you want to create a separate default for Slackware that could be done
quite easily; I do that for the stock "cartoon" version of Kubuntu each

> 4. With only two virtual desktops, the Small panel can be used as a

Same with four; changed.

> 5. Digital clocks are geeky. Just choose Plain as the default.

Agree; changed.

> 6. Change the default desktop icon text to non-shadowed, white.

Not sure on this one; the non-shadowed icons blend in to certain desktop
wallpapers and this may confuse users over time.  Any thoughts from other
list members?

> 7. Get rid of the bouncing mouse cursor. :) Yeah, I mentioned that
already. I'm making a not-so-subtle point. The thing is obnoxious. Stupid,
> Dumb. Irritating. Annoying. Childish. Unprofessional. I greatly
> any distro I test where the devs have changed the default mouse pointer
> Non Busy. And quite a few devs have done that too.

Fully agree; I thought I already got rid of it though?

> 8. None of the desktop device icons are enabled. You went through the
effort to create many new useful icons, so why not add them and set enable
> Device Icons as the default?

Agree; changed.

> 9. I don't understand the fetish and dumbing down with the default view
> Konqueror with icons. Set the default view to Tree View, and Show Hidden
Files. Treat users like adults and not kids. :)

Sorry, disagree.  I like the intuitive icon view myself, and even by their
name, hidden files are supposed to be hidden! ;-)  I can see too many
"oops, I just dragged and dropped my .<critical system file> who knows
where and now I can't use my computer" type complaints cropping up.

> 10. A bug: when I select the desktop Web Browser Device Icon, I receive
> error message: Unknown host default.browser. The message box has an OK
button but the message box disappears by itself in about 1.5 seconds.
Insufficient time to actually read without repeating the process a few


> 11. A bug: Selecting the My Documents Device Icon results in an error
because the ~/Documents directory does not exist. I personally would get
upset if any software created such a directory on my system. On the other
> hand, I think when a person explicitly enables that device icon then
> a directory should get created. No, not quite. I think when a person
enables that directory a pop-up should appear asking for the path to that
> directory. The default would be ~/Documents, but the user can change the
text in the popup text box. I don't consider that a feature request
needing to be added after your feature freeze. I consider this behavior a
> bug.

Fixed; the shortcut now queries XDG for the documents directory path.

> 12. I'm glad you selected to display both software names and
> in the K-Menu. I always empathize with new users and they need both.
> a coin, but I prefer Description (Name) rather than Name (Description).
> belief is that most people are looking to solve a task and a description
first helps toward that goal. Especially since so many developers have
given their apps names that provide no clue to the apps purpose.

The problem is that descriptions can change; e.g. become more descriptive.
 Change the first letter in the description and the user has to hunt
through the entire list to find the same application again.

> 13. So you added the option to use a Kickoff style K-Menu. Nice
> programming touch. Really! You'll never see me use the Kickoff though.
> just too old to change some habits. :)
> 14. Place the Exit/Lockout applet buttons on the default kicker. Many
people use the buttons and they provide a familiar method to exit for new
> users.

Agree; changed.

> 15. Trinity did not create a new ~/.kde3 directory, but honored $KDEHOME
and created a new ~/.kde!
> I hope this helps!

Sure does!

Update kdelibs and kdebase to SVN revision 1176514 or above, recompile
both, and re-test everything.  I believe I have repaired most of the bugs,
including the Klipper icon (thanks to your latest message regarding applet
mode, which allowed me to reproduce the bug here).

Let me know if anything fishy shows up in testing, or if I forgot to
address an issue!