>> Since I'm trying to come up with an idea for new [a little more >> modern, and not looking like it was made in 2003 (no offense to >> creator intended)] Trinity website I'd like some help. What I need is >> a logo, a symbol for Trinity. And one that is not religious In my random googling, there is an old symbol that has more of a "3" connotation, and not so much of a religious one. Which I find appealing in the sense of "timelessness". It's not entirely free of negative connotations but perhaps worth considering. http://paulraspa.wordpress.com/tag/triskele/ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triskelion One broader throught is to lessen the emphasis on KDE, in favor of the broader notion of the number 3. - Nigel