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Re: [trinity-devel] Centered or "Smart" Default Window Placement

From: /dev/ammo42 <mickeytintincolle@...>
Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2012 00:55:44 +0100
On Sun, 15 Jan 2012 15:13:51 -0800 (PST)
Darrell Anderson <humanreadable@...> wrote:

> > Nevertheless we offer the possibility to change the sane
> > defaults to something 
> > else for advanced users like yourself so that you can use
> > e.g. a centered 
> > placement strategy.
> 
> "Sane" according to whom? What might seem "sane" to you is not always
> "sane" to others.
> 
> > I quite agree. That's why centered is *not* a useful
> > placement strategy. It 
> > requires users to move their windows to have it useable.
> > This is the worst 
> > thing which could happen.
> 
> Not really. I have used Centered for years. Here is a difference: I
> configure most apps to open maximized. Those few that I open in
> non-maximized mode typically get opened for a few moments and then
> closed. So for me, Centered is useful.
You are saying that Centered suits your already non-default way
applications open, not the other defaults. Making Centered the default
policy, with no maximised-by-default application, would be terrible.
That is the real configuration that matters, because it's the one which
would be put as default if Tim listened you. Not your personal one.
> 
> > Furthermore I have the complete confidence of our bug
> > tracking software. We 
> > have millions of users reporting hundred of bug reports
> > each year to multiple 
> > parts of our window manager. But reports to the placement
> > strategy? Feature 
> > requests? Hardly any. I am involved in multiple KDE related
> > support areas 
> > watching for window manager related topics: nothing about
> > placement.
> 
> When people have an option to change a default they do just that.
> There is no "bug" to report.
> 
> > sorry, what a bullsh*** I cannot tell you how arrogant I
> > find this statement. 
> > It's this complete utter non-sense I have seen here more
> > than once on this 
> > list and elsewhere with the opinion that KDE developers are
> > all assholes not 
> > caring about their users. It's such a stupid thing to think
> > that KDE 
> > developers pretend to "know better". Such nonsense makes me
> > really angry and I 
> > really have to think about whether I want to continue to
> > offer my help to the 
> > Trinity project.
> 
> Where did I write "KDE developers"? I wrote "developers." That you
> jumped to this conclusion is interesting.
> 
> Regarding your help with the Trinity project, please point me to
> anything that you have contributed. Not to KDE3 but to Trinity.
> 
> > *sigh* Ego is never a reason why something is the default.
> 
> Really? Never?
> 
> > And yes if you 
> > write that you consider ego as a reason for defaults, I
> > consider this as an 
> > insult (I have not been involved when the default for this
> > option has been 
> > set) and are convinced that you consider KDE developers to
> > be stupid as you 
> > quite nicely highlighted with various side notes in your
> > mail.
> 
> Where did I call KDE developers stupid? Which side notes? I have
> disagreed with some of their decisions, but I ask you to show me
> where I called the people stupid.
> 
> > I would appreciate if you could use a constructive manner
> > to discuss and I 
> > think you should appoligize towards the KDE developers you
> > insulted in your 
> > mail, e.g. the quite nice Kate developers who I know
> > personally.
> 
> Please show me the insults I made to KDE developers.
> 
> Darrell
> 
> 
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