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Re: [trinity-devel] tdebindings FTBFS (Broke, broke, broke!)

From: Calvin Morrison <mutantturkey@...>
Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2012 15:51:14 -0500
On 22 January 2012 14:52, E. Liddell <ejlddll@...> wrote:
> On Sun, 22 Jan 2012 10:48:36 -0800 (PST)
> Darrell Anderson <humanreadable@...> wrote:
>
>> > > HOW CAN WE BUILD A QUALITY PRODUCT IF NOBODY
>> > UNDERSTANDS IT. Tim even
>> > > mentioned he won't mess with it because he doesn't use
>> > those languages. I
>> > > think we have to be kidding ourselves if we are trying
>> > to provide a
>> > > "quality product".
>> >
>> > Seems to me that we need to start by finding the answers to
>> > these questions:
>> >
>> > -Which languages are involved?  Looking at the source
>> > in GIT, I think I see
>> >  Java, Perl,  Python, C#, C, Ruby, XPart (whatever
>> > that is), and Javascript,
>> >  plus some other stuff (written mostly in Perl) that
>> > appears to be
>> >  autogeneration/framework code for C# and Java.  Does
>> > anyone see
>> >  anything that I may have missed or be misinterpreting?
>>
>> Here is a complete list:
>>
>> dcopc
>> dcopjava
>> dcopperl
>> dcoppython
>> kalyptus
>> kdejava
>> kjsembed
>> korundum
>> python
>> qtjava
>> qtruby
>> qtsharp
>> smoke
>> xparts
>
> smoke and kalyptus are the Java/C# generating code, and korundum seems
> to be part of the Ruby binding, FWIW.
>
>> > -Which of these languages do we have potential maintainers
>> > for?
>> >
>> > -Which of these bindings have actually been used for
>> > creating software?
>> >  Frex, Amarok has a Ruby dependency--will we need this
>> > interface to
>> >  maintain/further develop it?
>>
>> I'm not qualified to make decisions. I can only offer that Java, JavaScript, Perl, Python, and
>>Ruby are popular and not going away any time soon. DCop is important to controlling Trinity
>>apps from external apps and scripts.
>
> Perl is less popular than it once was, and Java programmers generally aren't big on using
> platform-specific interface modules (it's counter to the philosophy of the language).
>
>> To me, the important question is not which bindings to maintain but compiling the package.
>>If somebody wants to use their favorite language to hook into Trinity, let them have fun.
>>Right now the big issue is why compiling is such torture. Seems right now I'm the only
>>person trying. :)
>
> Oh, ouch.  I just looked at the KDE 3.5.10 ebuild for kdebindings and found this:
>
> # Broken and package.masked.
> #       ~kde-base/korundum-$PV
> #       ~kde-base/qtruby-$PV
>
> # Omitted: qtsharp, dcopc, dcopjava, xparts (considered broken by upstream)
>
> So the bulk of the code was broken pre-Trinity and likely was never fixed,
> which could explain why it isn't compiling now.
>
> Furthermore, if those bindings have been broken for that long and no one
> has complained, chances are that no code ever used them (or if anything
> did, it's long since migrated elsewhere).
>
> Python, Perl, Javascript, and the non-dcop parts of the Java binding might
> still work, but we need to either fix or kick the remainder.  Right now, I'm
> leaning towards "kick", and it seems like most of the other people who've
> weighed in do, too.
>
> Given the manpower available and the general breakage level, I really do
> think that focusing any effort that can be spared on the Python binding and
> dumping the rest if/when they break (unless a brave volunteer steps up) is
> likely the best way to go.


It seems in the past that more were available. Objective C and C were
also available as of 3.2.3

http://websvn.kde.org/tags/KDE/3.2.3/kdebindings/

If anything I'd like to reinstate QtC :)