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Month: February 2012

Re: [trinity-devel] 01 February 2012 Meeting Notes

From: "E. Liddell" <ejlddll@...>
Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2012 16:57:51 -0500
On Wed, 1 Feb 2012 14:54:23 -0600
"Timothy Pearson" <kb9vqf@...> wrote:

> > Am 01.02.2012 20:47, schrieb Robert Xu:
> >> All there:
> >>
> >>
> >> Feel free to speak up should you have an opinion - the door is always
> >> open!
> > Before misinformation about KWin spread, I dare to speak up.
> >
> >> 17:47:35 <kb9vqf-offsite> Personally I would hate to have to install
> >> kwin, which relies on a bunch of other KDE4 libraries and automatically
> >> installs that akodani garbage scanner stuff, just to use TDE
> >
> > Personally I hate statements without checking facts. KWin neither
> > requires Akonadi nor Nepomuk. My CI-system has neither one installed.
> > But to give proof:
> >
> > martin@martin-thinkpad:~$ aptitude show kde-window-manager | grep
> > akonadi
> > martin@martin-thinkpad:~$ aptitude show kdebase-runtime | grep akonadi
> > martin@martin-thinkpad:~$ aptitude show kdebase-workspace-bin | grep
> > akonadi
> > martin@martin-thinkpad:~$
> >
> > So this should not at all be a problem for Trinity - yeah \o/ :-)
> As I said... "unless I am wrong" :-)  I was speaking from past experience
> only, and the basic steps outlined still hold.  twin is not going to go
> away, but kwin should be allowed (along with any other WM) in TDE
> sessions.
> I meant nepomuk, not akodanai.  It can be hard to keep all of the (foreign
> language) codenames straight in one's mind. :-)
> On my Ubuntu system nepomuk has to be installed with kwin:
> so that is NOT an option for me.

Gentoo doesn't appear to require nepomuk as a kwin dependency (~30 other 
packages I don't have installed, yes, but not nepomuk), so I suspect you're 
running into either an Ubuntu quirk or something to do with semantic desktops,
which are not an absolute requirement for KDE4 IIRC.

The main problem I'm seeing is kdelibs, which *is* a kwin dependency as far as I
can tell, and which wants to drag in strigi and a bunch of other unwanted-by-me 
cruft ranging from phonon to consolekit.  Either all references to kdelibs that can't 
be replaced with tdelibs would need to be scrubbed from the kwin code, or a small 
kdelibs-subset containing only the functions vital to kwin would need to be created.  
Without knowing the code, I can't say whether that's possible or not--presumably,
Martin can tell us.

If we're going to include kwin in Trinity, we have to cut it down those of its
dependencies that aren't used by anything else to at most 2-3 smallish packages,
regardless of what those packages are, IMNSHO.  Concentrating on 
akonadi/strigi/nepomuk is a red herring.