On Mon, 13 Feb 2012 01:02:19 -0500 Kristopher John Gamrat <chaotickjg@...> wrote: > On Monday 13 February 2012 12:10:05 am /dev/ammo42 wrote: > > On Sun, 12 Feb 2012 23:32:04 -0500 > > Kristopher John Gamrat <chaotickjg@...> wrote: > > > > There is a FOSS radeon driver for which some developers at AMD > > > > are paid to work on it, and on my experience it works OK both > > > > for light 3D games and KDE4 compositing (even better than AMD > > > > proprietary driver for the latter). And compared to Intel > > > > drivers I've almost never seen it crash. > > > > > > I'm using an Intel card right now (same one since December 2009) > > > with the FOSS Intel driver. I've never seen any crash cause by > > > the driver, all crashes thus far were either a glitch in some > > > program that overloaded my CPU, or from overheating (though this > > > usually leads to a kernel panic rather than an X.org crash). > > > > > > Of course, I rarely run anything that requires 3D acceleration. > > I have driver crashes: > > -under Slackware 13.1, as soon as I enable KDE 4.4's KWin effects. > > (I use Mesa 7.7.1 as 7.8.1 has a severe performance regression with > > StepMania) > > -under Slackware 13.1, after too many cycles of suspend/resume > > (highly variable) > > -under Slackware 13.37, when using KDE 4.5 with or without KWin > > effects, after at least a half dozen of hours (highly variable) > > -under Slackware 13.37, when I play a Xv-accelerated video, then > > open an OpenGL game, then close it when the video is still playing > > (often) > > > > On my AMD laptop, with FOSS drivers, I can simultaneously have KWin > > effects, play a video and launch a 3D game without any crash and > > with reasonable preformance. > > Have you tried your Intel card on any distro but Slackware? Also, > have you tried any desktop besides KDE4? It might be a glitch in one > of the Slackware packages (either a recompile of the driver or trying > on another distro could tell), or one of the glitches in KDE4 (I seem > to remember having a lot of crashes in KDE 4 on several different > cards, though I haven't used it since 4.6 and I hear that 4.8 is > supposed to be fairly stable). I never got around to trying out > Slackware, so I wouldn't be able to test the driver or KDE 4 from > within Slackware on my machine. Actually on Slackware 13.1 I already changed versions of: -xf86-video-intel: 2.11.0 to 2.9.1, because 2.11.0 is unusable with Trinity and KDE 3.5.10 -Mesa: 7.8.1 to 7.7.1 because 7.8.1 has a huge performance regression with one of the OpenGL games I play so I know that they are built from pristine sources. In general Slackware applies very few patches to upstream sources. > > Purely for comparison purposes, on my Debian Squeeze install, Intel > driver, Intel Mobile Series 4 Integrated Chipset (includes my video > card, as is usually the case with Intel): -I never tried any of the > special KWin effects in any KDE version, nor Compiz (never really > cared much for eye-candy) -I can suspend to RAM and resume countless > times without problems aside from impatient programs that don't want > to wait for my network manager to reconnect ;-) (I never tried > suspend to disk) -I can run my computer full-power almost the entire > day without a crash (unless you count the random crashes the occur if > I inadvertently block the fan). -I've never heard of Xv-accelerated > videos before, though on many occasions, I've had a lot of stuff > running at once (including either a DVD or Youtube video) when my > screen saver activates, and a few of those times, it was one of the > OpenGL screen savers. Xv is basically the acceleration every video player is using to rescale the videos and/or do RGV->YUV conversions. But apparently you don't have the same generation of Intel hardware since I have a Core i3. >