> b) When a developer does come here and asks to unfork one component (kwin, > e.g.) for everyone's benefit, the response is pathetic and juvenile, not the > sort of thing I expect from mature software developers. If anything, Martin Graesslin is "pathetic and juvenile". Every message he has sent here has been arrogant and demeaning of our group. It really blows my mind that he keeps pretending that he has has no part in the negativity. This entire thread is a response to his attacks (valid or not) on the TDE project. He has made several high profile blog posts regarding Trinity and cast it in his own light. That is fine by me, but after saying all of that crap, and then coming here and pretending he wants us to use KWin? It's a double standard. It is clear that the only people using TDE are people who are very consciously doing so. They are all aware of KDE4, Gnome and other projects. I keep trying to say "live and let live" but it doesn't get much headway. In respect to stability of kicker, and your concerns regarding people using your technology and changing it; such is life. There is no clause within GPL saying "yes you can only use this source code if the original author perceives it to be an improvement" If you'd like I am sure we would be more than willing to rename it from Kicker to another name YOU personally find more suitable. Calvin