Guys,

  I don't know if this is worth looking into from a TDE standpoint or if it is
still relevant, but HAL and udev stopped the boot process on my Arch box today.
Calvin had the issue that I believe he solved by removing an offending udev
rule[1]. That raised the question to me whether there is some standardization
that HAL will require across distros in order to support TDE or if there is some
part of udev that is needed to support HAL?

  Arch no longer provides HAL as a standard package. I believe what triggered
the boot fail today was the loss of the 'udev-compat' package (unconfirmed). I'm
still digging into this, but if HAL will be required for TDE, then should we
look into either insuring that a generic HAL version that is compatible with
upstream udev is available to the project?

  I don't know how HAL + udev affect TDE or what the long term thoughts are on
either, but I thought I would raise the issues to those smarter than I am in
case there is a looming issue coming down the road.

  What say the experts? Is there any issue with HAL + udev on TDE, or is it just
a matter of the individual distro TDE builders to sort out? What worries me is
Arch no longer packages HAL and the version we have in the user supported
repository (done by 'l0ner' -- thank you!) is hal 0.5.14-7 with a *900K patch*
file. If this is where all the distros are ultimately going, we may be better
served by deciding how to handle it now rather than waiting until we run into
build problems later...


Footnote [1]: (which we are still trying to determine exactly what he removed :)

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David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E.