All, Calvin, Continuing the current discussion about kcontrol, Calvin provided a current kcontrol layout from 3.5.13 (I don't have a post 4/11 build). Regarding kcontrol apps that were either not in 3.5.13 or had changed names, here are current screenshots of those that were identified as either missing or renamed from prior versions of 3.5.10: The Appearance/Desktop-Texts app may be in another kcontrol, but if not, we might want to get the source from Ilya/openSuSE: http://www.3111skyline.com/dl/dt/trinity/ss/kcontrol-App_Desktop-Texts.jpg I think this is probably Internet & Network/Samba Status. Could you compare and let me know: http://www.3111skyline.com/dl/dt/trinity/ss/kcontrol-Inet_samba.jpg The old Component Chooser seems to now be KDE Components/Default Applications: http://www.3111skyline.com/dl/dt/trinity/ss/kcontrol-KDEcomp_CompChooser.jpg Lastly, the Sound & Multimedia/Music Manager applet that is not in 3.5.13 is shown here. IIRC this was originally a feature request made against Digikam some years ago that made its way into an applet. What I have in 3.5.10 is shown here. If this functionality sets a default in TDE regarding sound file extension case, then I think it would be worth it to see if the source can be included. Having some application refuse to download files except with ALL UPPER CASE EXTENSIONS is a real drag. http://www.3111skyline.com/dl/dt/trinity/ss/kcontrol-SoundMM_MusicManager.jpg Currently, I have the KDE 3.5.10 Original, the TDE 3.5.13 Current and my hack and a layout with new ordering (preserving 90% of the current) laid out in a side-by-side page that allow you to look at each and compare on the same page. Yes, the groups/subgroups expand and contract as they do in kcontrol. Mutantturkey, i've pushed those over tonight if you want to take a look and confirm. Anyone else interested in helping with the kcontrol layout revisions, take a look at: http://www.3111skyline.com/dl/dt/trinity/kcontrol/ The menu generation is by bash script, so changes are easy to prototype and compare with the current. If anyone is interested, the script is genmen.sh in the same directory above along with a sample data file 'mlabels-trin.txt that the script parses to create the dtree menu layout for kcontrol. -- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E.