On 04/27/2012 12:13 PM, Calvin Morrison wrote: > I mean if we started using kwin, we would definitely have influence upon it > because we would be the users. Reporting bugs requesting features. I am not sure > what else you mean by "influence". KWin4 does everything TWin does. > > Let's keep it friendly and to the point. > Calvin Both Andy's and Calvin's points are well taken, The 'influence' issue is actually a 'kwin responsiveness' issue. If there are specific needs or bugs associated with TDE users of kwin, then regardless of how many patches or bug reports are filed, if they are ignored and not implemented in kwin4, then Andy is correct -- there is no influence. At this point, that is a pure hypothetical. I personally don't see it being a problem with kwin as it was with KDE4. That was the straw that finally broke the camel's back for me with kde4 (as a global collection of apps). I authored over 200+ bug reports to help kde4 become usable in the 4.0.4 - 4.3.X time frame and 4 years later most are still unresolved or closed WON'T FIX. That is both an influence and responsiveness issue. The desktop simply failed to meet the needs of the user in my case and it was abandoned. With twin, we have an excellent WM that is very responsive to this projects needs. If kwin can do the same, there is no reason not to see what it can provide. Equally true is that there is no need to abandon twin to do this. If somebody has the know how to build an install around kwin and test, then we can get an idea of where the shortcomings regarding TDE needs are and what can be done to address them. Until then, it is always good to think through the what if's of any situation, but as for whether and how well kwin can be used as a replacement for twin to allow a merge -- until it's done, it's all just speculation... -- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E.