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Re: Re: [trinity-devel] Re: Resolving the TWin/KWin Fork Issue

From: Martin Gräßlin <mgraesslin@...>
Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2012 20:03:19 +0200
On Saturday 28 April 2012 19:30:38 Werner Joss wrote:
> On Saturday 28 April 2012 11:58:04 Martin Gräßlin wrote:
> > It is especially important to step up against such behavior if the person
> > who shows such behavior is spreading misinformation about KDE as
> > illustrated in this thread by the claim that Akonadi/Nepomuk/Strigi are
> > hard dependencies of KDE.
> 
> they might not be 'hard' dependencies, so, in theory, one can install kde
> without them, but what is the result ?
> no mail, no contacts, no calendar, no search, no integration of whatsoever,
> in short: something that has probably less functionality than xfce or
> icewm. so, insead of installing kde without all the above, razor-qt seems
> to be a better choice...
sorry, but you just mix up things:
razor-qt is a desktop shell like Plasma. Neither razor-qt provide mail, 
calendar or anything nor does Plasma.

Mail is provided by external software which can be used together with Plasma 
or razor-qt. E.g.:
* KMail 1
* KMail 2
* Mozilla Thunderbird
* Mozilla Firefox going to GMail

of all these solutions only KMail 2 requires Akonadi. So no, unless you really 
want to have KMail 2 you don't require Akonadi at all.

Now Nepomuk: again you are misinformed. You don't need Nepomuk to perform 
searches. You can still use KRunner/Kickoff to search through your installed 
applications, recent documents and so on. And you can still use KFind to 
search for files.

Nepomuk gives you a semantic search, something like Spotlight on OS X or 
Tracker on GNOME or Google Desktop Search on Windows. You don't have to use 
it. Neither razor-qt nor Plasma require you to use it, both work completely 
without such searches.

Please don't mix up things like what is a desktop shell, what is a mail 
program, what is a search application and so on.
> 
> werner
> p.s:
> I'm all against blocking people from mailinglists as long as they have at
> least _some_ valid points which can be discussed.
> however, I really dislike the way you use to attack anyone here who has
> other views about kde than yours.
Like what I just pointed out in this mail? That you just mix up things? So 
should I not correct you when you incorrectly assume that you need Nepomuk to 
run Plasma or that you need Akonadi to run Plasma or that you think that there 
is one large "KDE" thing?

I think I have to correct such misconceptions as I help you with that. It 
prevents you from spreading wrong information and basing solutions on wrong 
assumptions.
> especially with regard to your trinity-bashing all over (mostly) german
> forums etc.
<offtopic>Well it's not on the mailing list, isn't it? But I don't write 
anything else on the German forums (esp. pro-linux) than what I do here. And 
it's all based on *facts*. If I find crashers in the TWin code (as in that 
case) it's nothing you can deny when I point that out and if I read that 
someone recommends Trinity and spreads misinformation like the one in your 
mail, I correct that. Sorry :-)</offtopic>

Cheers
Martin

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