All, I couldn't make the meeting today, but did read the logs. One note I have was concerning the discussion regarding systemd and whether some distros will move to it and some not. I want to make sure the issue isn't confused. Not everyone will move to the systemd init systems, but everyone _will_ move to the systemd package that provides udev. Arch separates systemd-tools to provide udev. My guess is that most distros will do something similar to provide a udev package from it's new upstream. Just know that udev from systemd isn't the same as adopting systemd init structure. Arch has no plans to move to systemd. Init scripts further the KISS philosophy, and systemd, while it provides a number of new tools, it doesn't provide anything necessary to get your box going that your current sysV or bsd style inits don't. -- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E.