Darrell, I ran into a weird problem. I replace R14 with 3513 on a test box. I deleted all /var/tmp/ files and my ~/profile, but forgot to delete /root. When I checked the /root directory, it had /root/.kde, /root/.kde3, /root/.kde4 and /root/.trinity. After several apps were run kdesu, I noticed many 'tdxxx' directories had been created in /opt/trinity/share/xxx. This was after I had deleted /opt/trinity completely. Could the migration/update scripts cause this? Do the scripts even handle a R14->3513 install? -- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E.