> what about 3.5.13.1? when does that get released? at this point > 3.5.13.1 will be released in the fall and R14 in the spring. > It is better to be realistic than pull a KDE4.0 My understanding is 3.5.13.1 is "any day now." "Fall of 2012" to me sounds like November or early December. That is a three month gap. Set a goal of R14 in the spring and little will get done --- human nature. Darrell