On 4 February 2014 20:08, Darrell Anderson <darrella@...> wrote: >>7) all distros support mplayer in one form or another > > I suppose this is a packager problem, but the original idea of a > default player is no external dependencies. That's only half true, since our default packages depend on plenty of libraries and utilities > MPlayer is well supported but is not part of a stock installation > on all distros. Other dependency presumptions exist in Trinity (for > example, xine for amarok), yet nominating kmplayer as a default > video player and moving into tdemultimedia means MPlayer needs to > be installed. Why the NIH syndrome? mplayer is good, requires little work, and is a clean dependency. Should we rewrite all the codec libraries for kaboodle? essentially all mplayer is seen doing is drawing the video, basically like a library dependency. > Audio players are not the same challenge. We have kaboodle, noatun, > and juk, all installed by the base package tdemultimedia. > > Fixing kaboodle gets us half way home. The other half is update > kaboodle to support newer generations of avi/mpg and like or not, > probably should support flv. For a default player that will > suffice. People who want extensive video format coverage are going > to install something else anyway. I think that is going to be harder than you think, since there are even now more codecs emerging like WebM. > For Trinity users those additional apps will be kaffiene and > kmplayer for video and amarok for audio. Not a problem for those > types of users. We are discussing a basic default video player for > the first-time out-of-the-box Trinity experience. Which is why we should use something that users can play all videos with, something that works without additional program needing to be installed