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Month: February 2014

Re: [trinity-devel] Default video player (Formerly UUGH! Desktop Icons open in DOLPHIN -- really?)

From: Calvin Morrison <mutantturkey@...>
Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2014 12:32:59 -0500
Testing kmplayer right now,

I don't see any slowness, and the xine and mplayer backends both are
working. David, maybe your issue was related to the backend/other
playback options


On 5 February 2014 06:55, E. Liddell <ejlddll@...> wrote:
> On Tue, 04 Feb 2014 18:52:04 -0900
> Greg Madden <gomadtroll@...> wrote:
>> On Tuesday 04 February 2014 16:08:45 you wrote:
>> > >7) all distros support mplayer in one form or another
>> >
>> > I suppose this is a packager problem, but the original idea of a
>> > default player is no external dependencies.
>> >
>> > MPlayer is well supported but is not part of a stock installation
>> > on all distros. Other dependency presumptions exist in Trinity (for
>> > example, xine for amarok), yet nominating kmplayer as a default
>> > video player and moving into tdemultimedia means MPlayer needs to
>> > be installed.
>> >
>> > Audio players are not the same challenge. We have kaboodle, noatun,
>> > and juk, all installed by the base package tdemultimedia.
>> >
>> > Fixing kaboodle gets us half way home. The other half is update
>> > kaboodle to support newer generations of avi/mpg and like or not,
>> > probably should support flv. For a default player that will
>> > suffice. People who want extensive video format coverage are going
>> > to install something else anyway.
>> >
>> > For Trinity users those additional apps will be kaffiene and
>> > kmplayer for video and amarok for audio. Not a problem for those
>> > types of users. We are discussing a basic default video player for
>> > the first-time out-of-the-box Trinity experience.
>> >
>> > Darrell
>> Never could get kaboodle & kmplayer to 'just work' for random streaming
>> media, checking the 'depends' for those two comes up with a
>> signifcantly shorter list of codecs et al installed compared to mplayer
>> and (my fav) vlc. this is on a Debian system.
>> Problem with desktop environments, apps that no longer or never did
>> work, not being able to go outside the box and use best of breed apps.
>> TDE has some 'best' apps, mine=gwenview, digikam, k3b, kmail, can using
>> other non-tde apps be considered ? Is this what the gtk-qt widget stuff
>> is for?
> The gtk-qt stuff is for making gtk applications look like they belong inside Trinity,
> for those for whom that's a concern.  Shipping a gtk-based application is not
> what we want here--I think we can all agree on that.
> I think that, in the end, we have three options:
> 1. Get kaboodle up to snuff.
> PRO:  No outside dependencies, no change to the tde-multimedia metapackage.
> CON:  Imposes a *large* coding burden in the form of creating and maintaining
> codecs.
> 2. Move kmplayer into tde-multimedia.
> PRO:  Probably the most versatile of our players, with a selection of backends
> and codecs.  Less broken than kaboodle.  Appears to have more i18n options
> than kaffeine, judging from the old ebuilds I checked.  Chances are that, if we
> make this the default, most users will never need another player.
> CON:  It does still have some apparent breakage which will need to be addressed.
> 3. Move kaffeine into tde-multimedia.
> PRO:  We know that this one has been maintained, so there should be little or
> no breakage.  Uses xine-lib as a backend, so we don't have to worry about
> codec maintenance.
> CON:  xine-lib doesn't support the insanely wide range of codecs that mplayer
> does.  kmplayer used to provide about ten handbook translations, but kaffeine
> has none, AFAIK, unless they've been done recently.  It does have a few
> interface translation options that kmplayer doesn't, like traditional Chinese.
> E. Liddell
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