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Month: February 2014

Re: [trinity-devel] OnlyShowIn=TDE or NotShowIn=KDE?

From: "David C. Rankin" <drankinatty@...>
Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2014 13:42:35 -0600
On 02/12/2014 12:08 PM, Darrell Anderson wrote:
> I will push changes for the few *.desktop files discussed.
> As I mentioned, the core problem is not OnlyShowIn=TDE but the 
> XDG_* environment variables. In the broader scheme, we have no 
> remedy for getting other environments to source /opt/trinity in the 
> XDG_* environment variables.
> In distros that use /etc/profile.d, the solution is to ensure a 
> script is installed (could be nothing more than the normal 
> script). For the distros that don't use /etc/profile.d, 
> such as Debian, I don't know how to ensure XDG_* variables are 
> modified to recognize /opt/trinity.

That brings us to the point of -- "What is a proper XDG_* environment for
trinity?" Right now in tqtinterface, we have complete control over the XDG
environment with I currently have:

export TDEDIR=/opt/trinity
export PATH=$PATH:$TDEDIR/bin
if [ ! -z $XDG_DATA_DIRS ]; then
  export XDG_DATA_DIRS=$TDEDIR/share
if [ ! -z $XDG_CONFIG_DIRS ]; then
  export XDG_CONFIG_DIRS=$TDEDIR/etc/xdg

What additional can we do/(do better) with the environment setup?

> As I mentioned, when KDE4 is concurrently installed with Trinity, 
> the result will be a menu mess one way or another, unless we 
> provide distro maintainers a more organized menu structure to 
> handle the KDE4/Trinity overload.
> Some might ask, why would users install Trinity and use a different 
> environment? Many users prefer window managers rather than full 
> desktops, but prefer a selection of apps from the full desktop 
> environments. Many systems are multi-user, and the various users 
> select what to run. In those instances, all options must be 
> installed.
> There is a growing restlessness in the KDE4 community for PIM apps 
> that do not rely on the akonadi/nepomuk foundation. Trinity PIM 
> apps could fill that role, but without modifying the XDG_* 
> environment variables, the apps won't be found in non-Trinity 
> desktops.
> Darrell

+1 When I was shopping desktops, it was not uncommon to have kde3, kde4, wm2
fvmwm2, e-16, e-17, gnome, fluxbox, twm, blackbox, openbox, etc. all installed
simultaneously. The only real havoc was caused by kde3/kde4/gnome. That's why
the X11 project put out an entire menuing standard to handle what is isn't
visible in each desktop. I've picked through the standard, but never compared
between what we have and what is says. Further, in doing so, I don't ever recall
seeing a clean way of preventing the kde3/kde4/gnome menu mess. It is almost as
if there is a need for a global 'menuedit' to manage /etc/xdg/menu on a global
and per/user basis to include/exclude apps in menus when multiple desktop
environments are installed.

David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E.