On 02/22/2014 04:54 PM, Darrell wrote: > Who is going to use an XML editor? Mom and pop? Never. I prefer placing the > new app in Development->Web Development, next to Quanta Plus. > I use it all the time. Hundreds of your data files in TDE are xml, all your wiki templates and a bulk of your web content you run into are in xml. >>> We should also move or duplicate kmenu/Utilities/File/kHexEdit in >>> kmenu/Utilities/Editors. > Leave khexedit at the current location: Utilities->File. > > I'll fight menu duplication all the way to Hell. Why would you leave kHexEdit in 'Files'? Yes, all editors edit 'Files', but 'Files' is normally for tools that move, copy, rename, compress, decompress, etc.. Files. I had to use the kmenu search: [ ] to find the darn thing. I don't want duplication either, I just know if I can't find things in the menu, then there are going to be others in the same boat. Like I say below, I don't care where it goes, if you are setting them menu, then put it where you like, I think people normally look for things that edit files under 'Editor'. I've been down this road > before. When menus are populated to the point that they need to roll-over to > a second or third column to show all menu items then the menu is cluttered > beyond usability. Especially true on small screens such as laptops, netbooks, > and tablets. Add KDE menu items to a Trinity menu and the clutter begins. > Even with the "[KDE]" suffix or pushing all KDE apps into their own sub menu > still creates clutter. > > One of the big challenges of usability design these days is too many > developers using monitors that are bigger than televisions and then not > testing on small displays. Same problem with all the idiotic web developers > who never test their damn small fonts on small monitors. Oh, looks great on > my jumbotron. > >>> That way ALL of the editors (text, hex and xml) are all available under >>> Editors. > Not all editors are "editors" as most people use the word. I doubt much that > most users have even heard of a hex editor, let alone look for one. Likewise > for an XML editor. Stop thinking like a geek. > I'm tired too. I don't care where it goes, but scattering editors all over the menu tree just seems like a bad idea. If it wasn't for the Search: [ ] in kmenu, I couldn't find things half the time and would just use Alt+F2. I know I wasn't here when kmenu got moved around, so I'll live with where things are. This stuff is so easy to change, if there are better ideas of where things should go, I think we should all be open to considering them. -- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E.