While you're at it . . . On https://www.trinitydesktop.org/about.php at the bottom: "TDE R14.0.0: Anticipated in early 2014." Maybe "... 4th Quarter 2014" ? Looking forward to it! Jonesy -- Marvin L Jones | Marvin | W3DHJ | linux Pueblo, Colorado | @ | Jonesy | FreeBSD __ 38.238N 104.547W | jonz.net | DM78rf | OS/2 SK