On Wed May 30 2018 16:19:09 Jimmy Johnson wrote:
> My big concern is keeping both systemd and plasma out of my computer and
> I consider it a challenge seeing how trinity is probably being developed
> on computers with systemd installed and particularly as ubuntu has
> systemd locked-in.  I'm willing to test development of trinity if it's
> motivated by no-systemd and no-kde5-framework, as kde3 was built is the
> best.  Am I wrong in feeling most trinity users feel the same way?

We're certainly no-systemd on principle and TDE seems to have done a great
job of avoiding assimilation by the systemd Borg.  I have no objection in
principle to using some app from KDE 5 if we could make it work in TDE but
at this time there's nothing we need from KDE 5.

Devuan has been very helpful.  However Quagga is essential for our VPNs.
Stretch Quagga was systemd-only but they recently restored SysV compatibility
in Buster Quagga and that version works fine in Stretch / Ascii without any
need for backporting, and just in time for Jessie EOL!

I don't want to go on too long because this is somewhat OT for TDE.

--Mike