On Sunday 29 of July 2018 12:15:07 Mike Bird wrote:
> On Sun July 29 2018 02:09:22 Sl�vek Banko wrote:
> > As I mentioned above, all official repositories (signed by the official
> > Trinity key) are managed on QuickBuild. As I explained in previous
> > emails, Preliminary Stable Builds are created independently of
> > QuickBuild - independent builders (used pbuilder on my builders),
> > independent repository maintenance (used reprepro on my server).
> >
> > That's why PSB repositories simply can not be signed with an official
> > Trinity key that is integrated with QuickBuild. I could create some
> > general GPG key for signing repository instead of my personal, but it
> > would still be a key other than the official Trinity key. So it seems
> > like a futile change.
> >
> > Regarding the propose to rename from 'stable' to 'testing' builds, this
> > change is not possible. Existing Preliminary Stable Builds are built on
> > a 'stable' branch (now r14.0.x) == this is preliminary packages for the
> > next maintenance relase - therefore 'stable' in the repository name.
> > Additionally, the second repository named Preliminary Testing Builds has
> > already been prepared. This second repository is built on a 'master'
> > branch == this is preliminary packages for the next major release, which
> > rightfully deserves the naming of 'testing'. The official announcement of
> > this 'testing' repository can be expected soon.
>
> Hi Sl�vek,
>
> I am not yet understanding why we have so much duplication.  Why is there
> not a "testing" release in the main repository instead of a having a main
> repo and a DEB PSB repo and a RPM PSB repo in different locations and
> using different tooling?  (And soon in addition a new DEB testing repo?)
>
> I understand that PSB updates every two hours whereas the primary mirror
> currently checks for updates three hours after the completion of the
> previous run, but I could change the three hour delay to a ten minute delay
> without adversely impacting Tim's bandwidth.  What is the average volume
> (GB) of DEB PSB updates published per day?
>
> The standard single Debian repository structure is well understood by all
> concerned.  It reduces the number of downloads and upgrades needed for
> new minor releases and generally provides a smoother and more efficient
> transition from testing to release.  Indeed Trinity successfully used a
> single repo incorporating trinity-nightly-builds for many years.
>
> --Mike
>

Hi Mike,

do you remember when I started preparing the packages, which then resulted in 
the maintenance v3.5.13.x branch? Small reminder:

  http://trinity-users.pearsoncomputing.net/?0::2776

Do you remember my 'axis' repository on QuickBuild? This repository met your 
proposal - it was on the primary server - on QuickBuild. However, placement 
of this repository brought a combination of all the disadvantages that it 
could have:

+ although the repository is on the primary server, but under my account on 
QuickBuild == repository is not signed by the official TDE key, but the GPG 
key corresponding to my QuickBuild account

+ only official repositories are published on mirrrrors == all access to 
the 'axis' repository causes total bandwidth load on the primary server - all 
users constantly complained about very slow downloading of packages - if the 
master server was unavailable, the repository were not accessible at all

+ on QuickBuild at that time often were situations where builders were stuck 
and repositories were inconsistent - users could not download and install 
packages or broke their machines

+ adding support of new Debian / Ubuntu distributions on QuickBuild is always 
a challenging operation - requires local mirror of distribution == a lot of 
space, therefore adding support for new distributions was slower

Creating a completely independent Preliminary Stable Builds repository (both 
building and repository management) was therefore a significant benefit for 
the users but also for the release of new TDE releases.

Some time ago, I and Tim agreed to place Preliminary Stable Builds repository 
directly to the redirector. As a result, this independent repository gained 
more official status ... and at the same time raised the questions that we 
are currently discussing :)

Because I do not want the mail to be too long, now I will finish this part and 
I will continue with the next mail.

-- 
Sl�vek