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On 2019/07/26 02:48 AM, Sl?vek Banko wrote:
> On Thursday 25 of July 2019 17:13:23 Mike Bird wrote:
>> TDE Devs,
>> 
>> I hesitate to send this to a do-ocracy when I don't have the time to do it myself but I think this warrants a
>> ping.
>> 
>> I rate myself as a software engineer with an excellent track record in (proprietary) database managers, AI, and
>> systems software.  I've designed software, lead software teams, and picked up other's failing projects and
>> literally worked and slept in my office to ship on time.
>> 
>> But I would never have thought that what Tim did was possible.  The solo fork and improvement of TDE was a
>> massive undertaking in which Tim succeeded brilliantly.  Whether or not Tim ever touches TDE again I have an
>> enormous respect for his courage, talent, and achievement.
>> 
>> But now others have taken up the mantle.
>> 
>> The original TDE infrastructure has been broken in various ways for a long time.  The stable mirrors have been
>> unable to update for eight months.  The trinitydesktop.org domain expires in March and there is no guarantee that
>> the original TDE infrastucture will continue to stumble along even that long.
>> 
>> TDE 14.0.7 is currently in PSB.  Waiting for 14.0.8 might be too late.  I would like to see TDE 14.0.7, either
>> when it goes stable or soon thereafter, on community-managed infrastructure.
>> 
>> --Mike
>> 
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> I will try to summarize information on what resources we have now, what is the current status and what are the
> plans that we have. Although I will try to be brief, the mail will be a bit long...
> 
> 
> 1. Primary site
> 
> Here are a number of services that are mostly on shared machines where only Tim can manage it and cannot give
> access to other admins.
> 
> + web server + mailing lists + wiki + bugzilla + git repositories - SCM, CGIT + automated scripts for master
> branch + crashreports store + patchwork + quickbuild + archive for mirrors
> 
> 
> 2. VPS donated by vpsFree.org
> 
> This VPS initially provided the mirror function for the GIT repositories and at the same time has the role of a
> highly optimized primary redirector for accessing the package archive.
> 
> Currently, TDE Gitea Workspace (TGW) and TDE Weblate Translation Workspace (TWTW) are hosted on this VPS. As a
> result, VPS is now the main place where developers and other contributors work. This allows us to work on 
> development independently on the primary site. Git repositories is now not just a mirror, but is bi-directionally
> synchronized with the primary site.
> 
> Another thing is that a Preliminary Stable Builds (PSB) repository has existed for a long time and later a
> Preliminary Testing Builds (PTB) repository was created. These Debian / Devuan / Raspbian / Ubuntu repositories
> provide preliminery packages for stable branch as well as packages for master branch => equivalent of
> nightly-builds. These packages are built on builders I have in my management, completely independent of QuickBuild.
> These repositories are now provided primarily on this VPS.
> 
> For this VPS we don't have to worry about hardware => it provides vpsFree.org. To manage system on VPS and the
> services we have here, it's me and Michele who can manage it. And here is no problem to add other administrators.
> 
> + git repositories - CGIT + TGW - a tool for developers collaboration and manage issues + TWTW - a tool to work on
> translations + automated scripts for all branches + primary redirector to access the archive
> 
> 
> 3. Dedicated TDE Box donated by Integricloud
> 
> Integricloud, a company associated with Tim, has provided us a dedicated hardward box on the POWER9 platform. This
> is a machine with very good performance. Because it's dedicated hardware, Tim, I and Michele can manage the virtual
> machines and services on this box. And here is no problem to add other administrators.
> 
> Here is the plan that services from the primary site will be migrated to the virtual machines on this box. We are
> currently preparing virtual machines on this box. However, for the migration plan and migration work we will again
> need participation from Tim, who has been busy for a long time. And unfortunately for some time again is not
> contact with him.
> 
> 
> 4. Plans for the future
> 
> Because problems on the primary site combined with Tim's unavailability are not here for the first time, we have
> been working for a long time to setup alternative services to minimize dependence on the primary site. Currently we
> are ready to be independent on the primary site for services:
> 
> + web server + mailing lists + git repositories - CGIT, TGW, TWTW + automated scripts for all branches + repository
> and builders - PSB, PTB + archive for mirrors - reorganized structure, cleaning done, added missing things, for
> example source tarballs for R14.0.6 are here
> 
> Thanks to the TDE box donated by Integricloud and VPS donated by vpsFree.org, we currently have good resources to
> provide services availability. What needs to be solved is to prepare a migration plan and then migrate the
> services. I propose that we can gradually discuss individual services to be migrated here and prepare a migration
> plan.
> 
> 
> Cheers
> 

Dear all,
in addition to Slavek's excellent description of the current hardware/services situation, I would like to add one more
thing.

I believe a project leader should be actively involved with the project he/she is leading, possibly daily or at least
weekly.
I share Mike's huge respect for Tim's work and for what he has done for TDE, but it is a fact that in the last 3 or 4
years Tim has seldom interacted or followed TDE.
I think the time is ripe to propose a change in project leadership and I would like to put forward Slavek as candidate
to such role. Slavek has been doing a great job for TDE since the time he joined the project and he has been
contributing daily for many many years by now.

Please don't be shy and let us know your opinion on this point.
Once again, huge respect for Tim and for what he has done for TDE :-)

Cheers
  Michele

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