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Month: March 2011

Re: [trinity-devel] Downgrading autoconf/automake

From: Kristopher Gamrat <pikidalto@...>
Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 15:54:24 -0400
On Mon, Mar 14, 2011 at 3:43 PM, Darrell Anderson
<humanreadable@...> wrote:
> My 2 cents:
> I appreciate --- and have accepted --- the need to move to cmake. Even the KDE4 developers moved to cmake.
> The conversion to cmake is going to take time. A long time.
> Something broke after 3.5.12. On Slackware 12.2 I can build Trinity 3.5.12 but not SVN. The twist is I am trying to build SVN on the same system with the same tools that successfully builds 3.5.12. Therefore I am inclined to think the problem is with the SVN automake configuration files.
> I understand why the packages that have been ported to cmake require a newer version of cmake, but not those packages that should still build with automake.
> Past conversations indicate something needs to be patched in some header files to build with newer versions of automake. Is that a technical challenge that is difficult to overcome? Or is the reason everybody is waiting for the cmake port to complete and prefer not to expend anymore energy with automake?
> In the mean time some people cannot build Trinity at all.
> I have not yet tried to build Trinity or KDE on a newer Slackware system. I intend to try soon.
> I lack the skills to patch bugs or convert to cmake, or patch automake. I can build packages and test bugs, but I can't now do that.
> I won't wait forever for Trinity to be buildable. The same is true for end-users who quietly have been waiting for Trinity. They can't even download packages because none are being built.
> Because I can't build Trinity, I have been exploring KDE4 in a virtual machine. I am not warm and fuzzy with KDE4, but as I test that desktop I am acclimating to the new way of doing things. I am learning to strip cruft and reduce the noise KDE4 makes. Slowly I am massaging KDE4 into something I could use --- despite my preference for KDE3/Trinity.
> I am not yet throwing in the towel. Yet if within the next several weeks I cannot build Trinity or KDE 3.5.10 on any Slackware system then I will face the decision of moving on.
> Trinity has much potential. I do not look forward to that day.

From what I hear, cmake porting isn't too hard once you get used to
it. I will be helping with this once I get my new hard disk (which I
will be ordering on Thursday).

As I understand it (someone correct me if I'm wrong), there is too
much risk of the autotools api changing again, which is what broke
building to begin with, so rather than having to worry about fixing
the headers with each new version of autotools, it'd be much easier to
just use cmake. I've also heard that a project that is correctly setup
for cmake can be easier to work with when doing the actual build than
when trying to build with autotools.

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