On Sun, Nov 13, 2011 at 06:47:36PM +0400, Ilya Chernykh wrote: >On Sunday 13 November 2011 15:46:09 Julius Schwartzenberg wrote: > >> From now on it should hopefully be clear that Trinity really appreciates >> cooperation with any KDE3 version, Great! >> but that promotion of non-Trinity >> releases is considered inappropriate on the Trinity mailing lists. I don't see why, if it's done non-competitively. Tim has said explicitly that it's ok for Ilya to post here. And the details of cooperation between the two projects -- sharing of patches, etc. -- and even discussion of differences in the design philo- sophy of the two projects, are directly relevant to this list. >This does not mean they should mock in shit any other project. Absolutely! And vice-versa of course. It is vital that we stop feeling resentment about mistreatment in the past. The past can never be changed, so if we keep reacting to it in the _same_ way we will always be unhappy. But we _can_ change _now_ our reactions to events in the past, and thus become happy again. We must use the rational side of our mind to guide the emotional side! We all must keep in mind that the furtherance of KDE3 is essential to the continuing usage of Linux, which is of major importance to human survival. This fact must motivate us to make ourselves stop having negative emotional reactions to past insults. The success of KDE3/Trinity is _infinitely_ more important than our previous hurt feelings! When talking about the other project and its people, it's good to put ourselves into an understanding that, "We're on the same side, we're all good people, working together with similar goals, and I'm offering a helpful suggestion in a kind and friendly way." And then review what you write before sending it to make sure that it will be received as kind, friendly, and helpful in the _recipient's_ context (view of things). Communications are always interpreted in the context of the recipient, so the sender must formulate the message so that it will have the desired meaning _after_ that interpretation. It helps for the sender to imagine being the recipient and reading the message. We should be happy that both projects exist. The fact that there are two (or more) ongoing forks of KDE3 makes it clear to the public that KDE4 is seriously flawed, and that KDE3 forks are therefore justified in existing. Strength in numbers! Mark