hooray, thank you, god, thank you for everyone who decided to fork KDE 3: KDE 4 is a complete nightmare, which is not surprising given that they tried to copy vista, the most hated and despised version of windows ever. �i actually lost a friend because of installing KDE 4 on their computer for them (without realising that that's what would end up on it). anyway - yes. �really really glad to see kde 3 is still going. right. �about 4 years ago i worked on superkaramba. �absolutely loved it. �added some great features: reading the "system menu" so that you could, instead of having to arse about creating rollerbars that you then had to manually edit the ~/.blahblah config file or worse hand-edit a python file, you could just use the standard KDE application/system editor. �this feature made it into KDE 3.5. i then created a theme which made good use of this: http://kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=31081 the _next_ feature that i added was to go "hmm, how far can we take this?" and i added support for URIs e.g. enumeration of application:/ system:/ and media:/ and file:/ or any KIO device in fact, so that you could create an entire desktop file browser - in python - viewing files etc. and you can click on and run applications, or create media icons... whatever. i then created a theme which used _that_: http://kde-look.org/content/show.php/WheelOfFortune?content=34021 the problem was that this development clashed with the introduction of "plasma" which was supposed to be all spiffy and wonderful, but has turned into a complete dog's dinner. �so, anyway, the lead developer of superkaramba said "whoa, hang on, i don't want superkaramba turning into plasma" at which point i ended all development efforts. ... four years later, kde4 and plasma have a cult "hate" thing going :) �even meester leenus torvalds has rejected KDE 4 in favour of LXDE / XFCE. so with that as background, my question to you - the trinity developers is: would you be interested in incorpoorating the dirlister patches into superkaramba? l.