On Sunday 11 December 2011 20:33:36 Timothy Pearson wrote:
> To the users here: please don't bash KDE4 itself when the discussion is
> revolving around kwin. ;-)  Keep things on topic--if there are aspects of
> kwin4 you can't stand please bring them up politely and ask for them to be
> resolved.  It is quite possible that upstream can be more responsive than
> TDE due to more developer resources; what we will need to gauge is
> upstream's openness to our suggestions.

correct.
however, it is clear that there _are_  serious disagreements on how to best 
provide a 'kde 3.5 computing style' to users.
martin, e.g., claims that all what is needed for that would be to port kicker 
+ kdesktop from kde 3.5 to kde4, but it is not:

-	kde 4 performance/responsiveness on some older hardware is absolutely poor, 
thats simply a fact
-	the kde 3.5 experience does also consist of the 
simplicity/robustness/maintainability (from user's perspective) of 
applications
-	this means: no nepomuk, no local database server, no akonadi, no virtuoso, 
just plain text data/config files (and no, I don't want to discuss the pros 
and cons of these components, its just the fact that they can no longer be 
disabeled without losing basic functionality)

there is more, of course, but it should be clear that what trinity wants to 
provide (and is supposed to) just cannot be achieved by simply porting 2 
applications.

werner