Am Samstag, 11. Februar 2012 schrieb Timothy Pearson: > > On 11 February 2012 17:37, Calvin Morrison <mutantturkey@...> wrote: > >> On 11 February 2012 14:25, Timothy Pearson <kb9vqf@...> > >> > >> wrote: > >>>>>> just in case someone missed it: > >>>>>> http://blog.martin-graesslin.com/blog/2012/02/having-a-look-at-the-o > >>>>>>ldnew-desktop-environments/ > >>>>> > >>>>> The only hatred I see is Martin's. > >>>>> > >>>>> We now return you to our regularly scheduled programming. > >>>>> > >>>>> Darrell > >>>> > >>>> Here's a challenge to all the people here: > >>>> > >>>> Find one thing you can do in TDE that you can't do in KDE4.8 and post > >>>> it > >>>> on this Etherpad: > >>>> http://trinity.etherpad.trinitydesktop.org/41 > >>>> > >>>> Also note the fastest way to access the feature (i.e. minimum amount > >>>> of > >>>> mouse clicks/typing) and post how many left/right mouse clicks you > >>>> used to > >>>> access the feature. > >>>> > >>>> If Martin wants to spread FUD we do need to counter him. :-) > >>>> > >>>> Tim > >> > >> After reading through Martin's blog post I am bemused. > >> > >> "the project gets dominated by users and developers hating the KDE 4 > >> technology." - well yes of course it is you. Hello Mr. Obvious! But > >> sorry, I won't be hiring you as my private detective. > >> > >> "So the users looking for Trinity as a lightweight alternative to KDE > >> Plasma just fail to realize that five years ago they were screaming > >> that KDE 3.5 is too heavy. " - Great, ever heard of Moore's Law? 5 > >> years ago we had much worse technology. > >> > >> "I have read quite often that Qt 3 is now maintained by Trinity. > >> This is a pure lie." - Not a lie. Definitely not. We are not > >> Developing it, but maintaining it by providing a central place to > >> import patches to and keep it up to date with modern compilers. "To > >> keep in an existing state; preserve or retain: maintain one's > >> composure.", that is the definition of maintaining and that is what we > >> are doing. > >> > >> "The good news is that there is a sane project providing a classic Qt > >> based desktop: Razor-Qt." - Yet our goals are very different, using Qt > >> has nothing to do with it. That is like saying xfce should quit > >> because gnome also uses GTK+ > >> > >> "It is built up on Qt 4 and has a clear project aim." - Trinity has a > >> very clear focus. In fact it's stated on our website. On of our other > >> goals is to improve and expand the Trinity HCI model, and to make sure > >> our environment provides the maximum user experience for those seeking > >> this traditional mouse and keyboard model. > > > > Sorry, Gmail's new interface is a joke:p > > > > And Finally, > > > > "So my recommendation for all Trinity users is to either try again KDE > > Plasma 4.8 or to give razor a try." > > > > Great, I am actually typing this on KDE4.8 machine. I was going to > > type this with kmail - but I cant get it working. I am finding 4.8 to > > be a smooth experience but not one that I want. > > > >> Trinity is no project anybody could seriously recommend and a stock > >> KDE 3.5 is most likely a better solution than Trinity." > > > > Howso? KDE3.5 is certainly far behind Trinity. It has been out of date > > and not maintained for almost 4 years. this is ridiculous. > > > > I think there is bad karma on both sides, but I'm pretty pissed at the > > disrespect. > > > > Calvin Morrison > > Here's my other suggestion. If anyone here finds anything even *slightly* > wrong/annoying in KDE 4.8, file bug reports at kde.org. This would > include stupid design decisions like the greyscale task tray icons, which > are very difficult to distinguish from one another at a glance. > > I am sick and tired of "close enough" software on Linux, where the feeling > of being pecked to death by ducks (i.e. having thousands of little tiny > bugs or visual distractions) slows the user down tremendously, yet each > little bug seems so innocuous that no one ever bothers to fix them. Guess > what devs, you won't see those users complaining (not that you care > anyway, right?) because they will simply go somewhere where their needs > are met, such as Windows. > > Oh, and if KDE closes the bug report as "WONTFIX", or moves the priority > to enhancement/wishlist, please post a link to the bug report on the > Etherpad I mentioned earlier. > > Tim I think I was banned 5 times from kde.org for doing that ... but that was a year (or 2) ago :-) Nik