On Monday 13 February 2012 01:13:11 pm Aaron J. Seigo wrote:
> On Monday, February 13, 2012 12:12:10 Kristopher John Gamrat wrote:
> > So now that you know the perspective of one lone user, perhaps you can try
> > to understand that perspective and the perspectives of the others posting
> > to this thread?
>
> what you shared is not new to me, or to anyone else i imagine. to expect
> something that is already known to change a conclusion based on what is known
> is unrealistic.
>
> i have no issue with people deciding what is best for them. what i do take
> issue with, and which your viewpoint as shared does nothing to diminish, is
> the choice some make to couple ignorance with negativity and turn that into
> unconstructive, indeed destructive, interaction.
>
> good luck with that.
I'm sorry if my brain isn't functioning today, apparently it hasn't functioned in awhile, because I have had the viewpoint that I stated for awhile (and I also make a point of trying not to attack KDE 4 despite my strong disliking for it, and I always make a point of stating my opinions for it as mine instead of that of the TDE team or anybody else); I have yet to see, after all this time, how I am coupling ignorance with negativity, nor how my viewpoint is destructive. Perhaps from a developer's standpoint, I am ignorant, but not from a user's standpoint. Perhaps my statements (both now and in the past) might have come off as negative, but they are just my own opinions, and if stating my opinions and telling people that they are my own opinions is being destructive, then perhaps I should be banned from the mailing lists. However, I doubt that will happen since I am not actually being destructive, and I am not purposely interpreting other people's statements is hurtful or destructive. I interpret messages on this mailing list as they are written. I interpret the software I use as they operate on a system I know is running smoothly. I choose to interpret the older versions of KDE 4 that I have used as being poorly designed and poorly designed. I happen to agree with some of the other statements in regards to it being the job of the developers to fix bugs, regardless of which toolkit they use. Yes, I understand Qt4 might have flaws, but in my mind, that is not an excuse to allow bugs to run rampant, nor is it an excuse to make things harder on users. I have shown both a vanilla KDE 3.5.10 install and vanilla KDE 4.5.x install to some friends who have never used Linux (or any other UNIX-based OS), they did have some good things to say about KDE 4, but the number of complaints were far greater. KDE 3 was chosen every time but one, who didn't have any complaints about KDE 3, but he said he just likes KDE 4 better (though I think he used a newer version on KUbuntu). Good for him. Though those of us who have had to watch KDE 4 develop (and choose not to use it) and who have witnessed the newbies using it see KDE 4 as not being user-oriented based solely on the reasons being stated on this thread.
I'm sorry, but I must say: you are the one being destructive by starting an argument and continuing to argue. Perhaps we are being equally destructive by continuing to argue with you, but we are not being destructive simply by stating our opinions and viewpoints.
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Kris Gamrat
Ark Linux webmaster
http://www.arklinux.org/
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