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Month: January 2011

Re: [trinity-devel] Adding more packages

From: Robert Xu <robxu9@...>
Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2011 11:42:56 -0500
On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 09:38, Kristopher Gamrat <pikidalto@...> wrote:
> On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 6:28 AM, Timothy Pearson
> <kb9vqf@...> wrote:
>> a.) Have no use whatsoever on modern systems
> Most of them do. Perhaps in need of updating to modernize them or add
> a few missing features, but quite a few do. In fact, there's a KDE 3.4
> program called KGreetingKard that would be of use, AFAIK there aren't
> any other programs out there for Linux, the only other option is to
> hack wine to run programs like PrintShop, PrintMaster, and
> PrintArtist, which I'd imagine would be quite a hassle and apparently
> one of the main things that pushed people away from Linux (having to
> tweak stuff to make them work when they apparently work perfectly
> under the rather imperfect and crappy Windows). Perhaps we can add it
> to the list and update the dependencies at some point or another to
> use KDE 3.5?

It's more of if people use it. Otherwise, it may not be worth the effort.

>> b.) Have been fully replaced by more modern software
> KDE3 has been replaced by more modern software. Problem is, KDE4
> doesn't work very well, the visual styles aren't all that great, they
> added in too many fanciful features, and AFAIK have yet to readd some
> of the old stuff from KDE3 that people still want/need (I last used
> KDE4.5, haven't checked the site lately, so they probably came out
> with another release by now). Personally, I'm sticking with KDE3, and
> I hope that Trinity will be around for quite some time.

If the applications have been reworked to use Qt4, and contain the
same functionality, as long as maintained, i'm ok with the Qt4
version. If it's a KDE4 dependent application (uses KDE4 headers),
stick with the older one.

>> c.) Rely on old unmaintained libraries with no modern replacement
> To get rid of the unmaintained libraries, you'd need to rewrite KDE3
> to use Qt4. The Trinity wiki mentions the last release from Trolltech
> (which handed Qt over to Nokia -- I wander what the people who use
> their tech who only support proprietary would think if they found out
> ;-)) was 3.3.8b, which was quite some time ago, and we are already on
> Qt4.7, so we'd definitely have a lot of work porting things over, and
> that's something I don't think that would happen until Trinity makes
> several more releases and starts pulling in more developers. I
> certainly couldn't do it though, I can barely do the Hello World
> example in the Qt4 tutorials, though it will be a consideration once I
> feel comfortable handling large chunks of code.

Um, Piki, you seem to be on a different page? I think?
We have tQT for Qt4 in progress right now.
Qt3 is at version 3.3.8c (use the patch on the trinity Wiki)
We're not rewriting KDE3 to use Qt4 - we're just going to use tQT to
have the missing Qt3 functions work in Qt4.
So, like a Qt3 compataility layer on top of qt4

>> Tim
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> Kris
> "Piki"
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later, Robert Xu