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Re: [trinity-devel] Experiences installing TDE - some comments for TDE improvements

From: Alexis PM <alexispm_stellaluna@...>
Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2012 00:23:01 +0100 (BST)
> De: Slávek Banko <slavek.banko@...>
> Asunto: Re: [trinity-devel] Experiences installing TDE - some comments for TDE improvements
> Para: trinity-devel@...
> Fecha: jueves, 20 de septiembre, 2012 19:05
> On Wednesday 19 of September 2012
> 19:35:30 Alexis PM wrote:
> > Hello
> >
> > In order to help improve TDE, I want to tell my
> experiences with TDE
> > starting from a clean install of Debian Squeeze minimal
> (within X) from the
> > viewpoint of a Spanish desktop user. The problems,
> pitfalls or things I've
> > found are improving (I report all as bugs in the bug
> tracker to be
> > systematic):
> >
> > 1. Trinity Webpage could be translated into several
> languages ​​without
> > much problem, I think there are collaborators with
> enough time and desire
> > to make it viable. A call to collaborators through the
> mailing list to
> > create working groups could be. I offer to help as
> Spanish-spoken.
> > http://bugs.trinitydesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1220
> >
> > 2. Debian installation intructions improvements:
> > * Refers to "sudo", but Debian as a "su" distro by
> default, like most
> > distros. If you're a newbie and follow to the letter
> the instructions, the
> > lines with "sudo" not work
> > * Lack reference to the translation packages, example
> "For Spanish
> > translate, apt-get install kde-trinity-i18n-es"
> > * For laptops, kpowersave-trinity is essential, it
> shoul be indicate in the
> > intructions as "if you have a laptop..." or similar.
> > * A graphical network manager as
> network-manager-kde-trinity is very util,
> > it shoul be indicate in the intructions as "if you want
> to have a graphical
> > network manager and you are not using a other as wicd,
> you..." or similar.
> > May notice about network-manager versions incompatible
> with
> > network-manager-kde-trinity.
> > http://bugs.trinitydesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1221
> >
> > 3. Applications of interest:
> > * Kmix should be in the System Tray.
> > I don't report, I think is reported in
> > http://bugs.trinitydesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=503
> > * IMHO k3b-trinity and kima-trinity should be in the
> default TDE
> > installation, are useful for the general public.
> > http://bugs.trinitydesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1222
> >
> > 4. Kpersonalizer:
> > * Keramic theme is broken, not see the title bar of the
> windows or
> > close/maximize /minimize buttons.
> > http://bugs.trinitydesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1223
> > * Kpersonalizer is partially in English despite having
> chosen Spanish. I
> > can help with it.
> > http://bugs.trinitydesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1225
> > * Keyboard in English despite having chosen Spanish in
> Kpersonalizer. I
> > have to do KControl > Keyboard Layout > Enable
> keyboard layout & Show
> > indicator for single layout.
> > http://bugs.trinitydesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1224
> >
> > 5. Parts of the system are in English, lack of a
> complete Spanish
> > translations. For example, "Hibernate computer" and
> "Suspend computer" in
> > the "End session" window.
> > I can help with it.
> > http://bugs.trinitydesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1225
> >
> > 6. KDM problems:
> > * KDM don't draw well the background, artifacts can be
> seen. I think I
> > solved it with KControl > System admin > Login
> manager > Apparance >
> > Compositor: Trinity compositor. If choosing Trinity
> Compositor solve the
> > problem, the package should  be reconfigured to do
> it by default.
> > http://bugs.trinitydesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1226
> > * "Finish actual session" in "End session" window
> dialog don't work, just a
> > black screen appears instead of KDM. Doing Ctrl-Alt-F1
> & Ctrl-Alt-F6, the
> > KDM window is visible very briefly. I read something
> similar, related with
> > graphic card (this is a Nvidia, and use the nouveau
> driver), I don't know.
> > Related: In Exe GNU/Linux, a Debian live CD distro with
> TDE as desktop
> > environment: * In a live session, if you choose "Change
> session" in the TDE
> > exit dialog, you find a KDM login window answer you
> about user name and
> > password - could be auto-restart
> >  the TDE desktop
> > * In a HD-installation session, the KDM login window
> option "Reboot" don't
> > work, the system stays in terminal login (you can
> insert your user name and
> > password, and the
> > system remains in terminal modex", you can use "startx"
> :P )
> > http://bugs.trinitydesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1227
> > Possible related with
> > http://bugs.trinitydesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=59
> > and
> > http://bugs.trinitydesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=419
> >
> > 7. Sudo problems: In a recent mail ( "Clean TDE of
> Kubuntu references",
> > http://trinity-devel.pearsoncomputing.net/?0::9879 ) I
> did a review of the
> > problems derivated of the Ubuntu reminiscences dragged
> by TDE project, as
> > sudo-dependence of TDE nonexistent in the KDE 3.5 
> original. A set of new
> > sudo-related bugs:
> > * Konsole as SuperUser: T > System > SuperUser
> > Konsole: a Konsole window
> > appears ask for "[sudo] password for [user]" - it is a
> Debian (no-sudo)
> > system, therefore neither user password (user is not in
> /etc/sudoers)
> > neither root password (demand sudo) work. Konqueror as
> root in the "T >
> > System > SuperUser" dialog works well.
> > http://bugs.trinitydesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1228
> > * In T > System, other applications as KPackage
> open, but for a action ask
> > for "SUDO password", and again neither user password
> neither root password
> > work. But KUser in T > System work well with root
> password.
> > http://bugs.trinitydesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1229
> > * I installed Synaptic. But Synaptic in T > System
> don't work to enter the
> > root password. Synaptic via "Run command" answer
> "KDEInit could not launch
> > 'su-to-root': could not find 'su-to-root' executable".
> However, "kdesu
> > synaptic" works well.
> > http://bugs.trinitydesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1230
> >
> > 8. I suggest the following changes in file associations
> (in Konqueror:
> > Preferences > Configure Konqueror)
> > * Kwrite instead of Kate for plain-text files - I think
> Kwrite is simpler
> > * Iceweasel instead of Konqueror for HTML files
> > http://bugs.trinitydesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1231
> >
> > Thanks!
> >
> 
> Alexis,
> 
> Thank you for your detailed research. I believe that you
> will find some of 
> these problems resolved in upcoming release 3.5.13.1. Issues
> that remain 
> unresolved in 3.5.13.1, we leave to solution later - they
> will not block 
> release 3.5.13.1.
> 
> I am glad for your interest in translations to Spanish. Do
> you think you 
> managed to get one more volunteer with whom you could revise
> translations of 
> each other?
> 
> Thank you for your efforts, interest
> and look forward to further cooperation.
> 
> Slávek
> -- 
> 

Slávek,

Thank you very much for your words and interest for improvement the project. My only intention with this constructive criticism to help improve TDE.
I upgrade TDE 3.5.3 to 3.5.13.1 (via repo: deb http://ppa.quickbuild.pearsoncomputing.net/slavek-banko/axis/ubuntu squeeze
main). Few bugs have been fixed (4a - Keramic theme), others unfortunately remain the same (as all su/sudo bugs: Konsole as SuperUser, Kpackage, Synaptic), and others have appeared (turn-off and restart http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1233 and KDM Ctrl+Alt+Del http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1232 ). Your work with the repo is good, you just have to improve some aspects.
I want to help TDE, because I think KDE-3 was the best desktop of all. My contributions are limited to bug-hunter and translator. I like to help with the translation into Spanish... where to start?

Thanks!