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Month: February 2012

Re: Re: [trinity-devel] Poll

From: "Timothy Pearson" <kb9vqf@...>
Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2012 12:43:07 -0600
> On Monday 13 February 2012 12:23:22 Timothy Pearson wrote:
>> > On Monday, February 13, 2012 12:04:42 Timothy Pearson wrote:
>> >> I ask you this: If QWidget is so stable (i.e. did not change much
>> >> between
>> >> Qt3 and Qt4), why do Qt4/KDE4 applications always use more screen
>> space
>> >> to
>> >> display less information?
>> >
>> > they don't; but where there is more whitespace usage it's due to the
>> > QStyle. a
>> > QStyle that using the same pixelmetrics as you are familiar with from
>> Qt3
>> > would have the same layout and proportions. few people like that,
>> however,
>> > so
>> > there are few styles as cramped.
>> >
>> >> Why do KDE4 applications tend to require more
>> >> mouse clicks for each operation?
>> >
>> > they don't. see how easy it is to make assertions when no supporting
>> facts
>> > are
>> > required?
>> >
>> > well, here:
>> >
>> >> Can you state 100% that the Qt4 developers did not modify widget
>> >> parameters to be touch friendly?
>> >
>> > yes, i can. you may recall i worked at the same company as these guys
>> for
>> > 6
>> > years, the years that happen to be in question.
>> >
>> >> You would have needed to be on the Qt4
>> >> development team to be able to state this. :-)
>> >
>> > unfortunately for you, i worked with them extensively during this time
>> > period.
>> > i saw new things before others did, i worked with APIs before others
>> did,
>> > i
>> > had long discussions with the developers as they were working on
>> things.
>> How is that unfortunate for me?  It is good to know the truth!
>> I already know the whitespace is embedded in the widget metrics.  If I
>> needed to I could fix that one problem programatically, but it still
>> leaves all the others open.
>> Remember I said *almost* all applications?  There are a handful that
>> have
>> finally grown up and become better than the KDE3 originals, but right
>> now
>> the only one I can think of is krdc.  It took many years, and their
>> presence frankly does not justify using the rest of KDE4.
>> Also, you are trying to tell me that e.g. changing to the /media/flash
>> directory requires fewer clicks in Dolphin than in Konqueror?  In
>> Konqueror it would take exactly two mouse clicks, and if media/ was
>> already expanded it would take one click.  In Dolphin I don't even know
>> where to begin, other than poking around trying to get my location bar
>> back.  Heck, I don't even know where to begin looking for that
>> configuration option.
> in Dolphin it takes one click because media devices are listed in the side
> bar
> :-)

OK, I guess it serves me right for picking a directory off the top of my
head.  How about something without a trivial solution, such as /usr/bin?

I would file bug reports except for this: "few people like that, however,
so there are few styles as cramped.".  This indicates that KDE would not
have much interest in supporting some of the TDE users' requests, making
my bug reports a waste of time.  Incidentally when I have asked for bug
reports against TDE I have not received any either, so I guess this
particular thought is present on both sides?

Here is something to consider.  You have a skewed sample set, as those who
used to use KDE3.5.10 and thought it was nearly perfect probably kept on
using it, or jumped to Windows, or started using XFCE, etc. instead of
trying each new KDE4 release.  Therefore an entire set of users would not
be represented in your sample when you make statements such as "few people
like that".  A much more accurate statement would be "few KDE4 users like
that", with which I would agree.