> On 11 February 2012 17:37, Calvin Morrison <mutantturkey@...> wrote: >> On 11 February 2012 14:25, Timothy Pearson <kb9vqf@...> >> wrote: >>>>>> just in case someone missed it: >>>>>> http://blog.martin-graesslin.com/blog/2012/02/having-a-look-at-the-oldnew-desktop-environments/ >>>>> >>>>> The only hatred I see is Martin's. >>>>> >>>>> We now return you to our regularly scheduled programming. >>>>> >>>>> Darrell >>>> >>>> Here's a challenge to all the people here: >>>> >>>> Find one thing you can do in TDE that you can't do in KDE4.8 and post >>>> it >>>> on this Etherpad: >>>> http://trinity.etherpad.trinitydesktop.org/41 >>>> >>>> Also note the fastest way to access the feature (i.e. minimum amount >>>> of >>>> mouse clicks/typing) and post how many left/right mouse clicks you >>>> used to >>>> access the feature. >>>> >>>> If Martin wants to spread FUD we do need to counter him. :-) >>>> >>>> Tim >>> >> >> After reading through Martin's blog post I am bemused. >> >> "the project gets dominated by users and developers hating the KDE 4 >> technology." - well yes of course it is you. Hello Mr. Obvious! But >> sorry, I won't be hiring you as my private detective. >> >> "So the users looking for Trinity as a lightweight alternative to KDE >> Plasma just fail to realize that five years ago they were screaming >> that KDE 3.5 is too heavy. " - Great, ever heard of Moore's Law? 5 >> years ago we had much worse technology. >> >> "I have read quite often that Qt 3 is now maintained by Trinity. >> This is a pure lie." - Not a lie. Definitely not. We are not >> Developing it, but maintaining it by providing a central place to >> import patches to and keep it up to date with modern compilers. "To >> keep in an existing state; preserve or retain: maintain one's >> composure.", that is the definition of maintaining and that is what we >> are doing. >> >> "The good news is that there is a sane project providing a classic Qt >> based desktop: Razor-Qt." - Yet our goals are very different, using Qt >> has nothing to do with it. That is like saying xfce should quit >> because gnome also uses GTK+ >> >> "It is built up on Qt 4 and has a clear project aim." - Trinity has a >> very clear focus. In fact it's stated on our website. On of our other >> goals is to improve and expand the Trinity HCI model, and to make sure >> our environment provides the maximum user experience for those seeking >> this traditional mouse and keyboard model. >> > > Sorry, Gmail's new interface is a joke:p > > And Finally, > > "So my recommendation for all Trinity users is to either try again KDE > Plasma 4.8 or to give razor a try." > > Great, I am actually typing this on KDE4.8 machine. I was going to > type this with kmail - but I cant get it working. I am finding 4.8 to > be a smooth experience but not one that I want. > >> Trinity is no project anybody could seriously recommend and a stock >> KDE 3.5 is most likely a better solution than Trinity." > > Howso? KDE3.5 is certainly far behind Trinity. It has been out of date > and not maintained for almost 4 years. this is ridiculous. > > I think there is bad karma on both sides, but I'm pretty pissed at the > disrespect. > > Calvin Morrison Here's my other suggestion. If anyone here finds anything even *slightly* wrong/annoying in KDE 4.8, file bug reports at kde.org. This would include stupid design decisions like the greyscale task tray icons, which are very difficult to distinguish from one another at a glance. I am sick and tired of "close enough" software on Linux, where the feeling of being pecked to death by ducks (i.e. having thousands of little tiny bugs or visual distractions) slows the user down tremendously, yet each little bug seems so innocuous that no one ever bothers to fix them. Guess what devs, you won't see those users complaining (not that you care anyway, right?) because they will simply go somewhere where their needs are met, such as Windows. Oh, and if KDE closes the bug report as "WONTFIX", or moves the priority to enhancement/wishlist, please post a link to the bug report on the Etherpad I mentioned earlier. Tim