> > Honestly i'd rather get rid of the shutdown dialog 100%
> :-)

One of the aspects of usability us experienced users need to remind ourselves is how clueless most users really are. I was reminded of this the past several days as family visited. Some of the conversations were about technology. I noticed that everybody but me phrased their thoughts in terms of brand names rather than device names. For example, one person presumed Kindles were the only ebook readers on the planet. Several of these people don't use computers and often the conversations left those people sitting like proverbial wall flowers.

A neighbor down the road was given an iPod for a gift. He was told to connect the iPod to his portable CD player. I had to explain to him basic terms of using the CD player and iPod to control the selections stored in the iPod.

I have worked often with very intelligent people in the engineering and technical fields. Yet almost all of them are clueless about using or configuring computers. Anything that happened out of their ordinary experiences of using a computer almost always resulted in a trip to visit me to provide answers.

I'm talking about very intelligent people, yet they don't know the basic keyboard shortcuts of Ctrl-X, Ctrl-C, Ctrl-V, and Ctrl-Z. Yes, I'm serious. Now consider the run-of-the-mill people of average intelligence. We can't rip features that any of these types of users expect or have become accustomed to.

KDE has always been the most configurable 'nix desktop environment. Although not always embraced or followed, "the user decides" is a foundation design element in the KDE family. I want to see Trinity continue that tradition. Adding check boxes in KControl solves the configuration problems for everybody.

Anybody who subscribes to this list is computer savvy. The standards we adopt for using computers is way different than just about everybody else. Us experienced users need gobs of compassion to create computer desktop environments the masses will embrace and use.

> Hmmm, and I'm fond of it. Perhaps we could include an option
> in kcontrol to
> disable the display of the dialog for those that don't want
> it. That would
> satisfy both camps. A simple control or tab under
> Desktop/Behavior would work:
> 
> [x] Display Shutdown Dialog on Logout.
> [ ] Include Shutdown Options in KMenu.

This is the approach I prefer. For the hard-core minimalists, perhaps we provide documentation with building tdebase such that the dialog is preconfigured as disabled. Perhaps add a build option too. That somewhat ties into my conversations about creating a wiki page to address something called Trinity Light.

Darrell